Beefing up the Secondary for 2008? - New England Patriots Forums

VJCPatriot · 03-10-2008, 01:16 PM

Here's the new plan. The Patriots main rivals in the postseason are the Colts and now the Giants. Both feature dangerous receivers. The Pats let some of their main db's go in Samuel and Gay, but perhaps it was on purpose as they are aiming to completely retool their DBs. Notice already the signings of Tank Williams and another corner?

Now onto the draft:

Round 1
Patriots trade back to #13 with the Carolina Panthers, to allow them to draft top DT prospect Sedrick Ellis. They also pick up the Panthers second round pick.

With the #13 pick, the Patriots select Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie. Asante who?

Round 2
With the Panthers second round pick the Patriots select pass rusher, Cliff Avril. He will be groomed as a situational pass rusher and his 4.5 speed is indicative of an explosive first step.

With their own second round pick the Patriots select G/T Branden Albert, as insurance for Neal.

Round 3
With their early third round pick the Patriots select ILB, Jonathon Goff.

With their final third round pick the Patriots select CB, Chevis Jackson.

Now check out our young DBs - DRC 6'2, 184 lbs, Jackson, 6'0, 184 lbs. The Patriots are now well equipped for the future to handle the Colts receivers, and Burress won't be contested by midgets if his team can make it to the big dance again.

Ochmed Jones · 03-10-2008, 01:21 PM

Very nice work. If Albert is gone by the time we pick in the second I would not mind us taking McGlyn of Pittsburgh. He is nasty and can drive blcok.

***BelichickFan*** · 03-10-2008, 01:27 PM

I'm not sure we'd get Albert or Avril in those spots but I'd be a happy, happy man after the draft with that group.

BradyManny · 03-10-2008, 01:35 PM

That'd be sick, but I doubt Albert can be had that late.

ayjackson · 03-10-2008, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by VJCPatriot

Here's the new plan. The Patriots main rivals in the postseason are the Colts and now the Giants. Both feature dangerous receivers. The Pats let some of their main db's go in Samuel and Gay, but perhaps it was on purpose as they are aiming to completely retool their DBs. Notice already the signings of Tank Williams and another corner?

Now onto the draft:

Round 1
Patriots trade back to #13 with the Carolina Panthers, to allow them to draft top DT prospect Sedrick Ellis. They also pick up the Panthers second round pick.

With the #13 pick, the Patriots select Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie. Asante who?

Round 2
With the Panthers second round pick the Patriots select pass rusher, Cliff Avril. He will be groomed as a situational pass rusher and his 4.5 speed is indicative of an explosive first step.

With their own second round pick the Patriots select G/T Branden Albert, as insurance for Neal.

Round 3
With their early third round pick the Patriots select ILB, Jonathon Goff.

With their final third round pick the Patriots select CB, Chevis Jackson.

Now check out our young DBs - DRC 6'2, 184 lbs, Jackson, 6'0, 184 lbs. The Patriots are now well equipped for the future to handle the Colts receivers, and Burress won't be contested by midgets if his team can make it to the big dance again.

I like that, but submit this in the same scenario:

1. Quentin Groves, OLB
2. Antoine Cason, CB
2. Brandon Flowers, CB
3. Jon Goff or Philip Wheeler or Beau Bell
3. Mike McGlynn or Jon Greco

patsfaninpa · 03-10-2008, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by VJCPatriot

Here's the new plan. The Patriots main rivals in the postseason are the Colts and now the Giants. Both feature dangerous receivers. The Pats let some of their main db's go in Samuel and Gay, but perhaps it was on purpose as they are aiming to completely retool their DBs. Notice already the signings of Tank Williams and another corner?

Now onto the draft:

Round 1
Patriots trade back to #13 with the Carolina Panthers, to allow them to draft top DT prospect Sedrick Ellis. They also pick up the Panthers second round pick.

With the #13 pick, the Patriots select Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie. Asante who?

Round 2
With the Panthers second round pick the Patriots select pass rusher, Cliff Avril. He will be groomed as a situational pass rusher and his 4.5 speed is indicative of an explosive first step.

With their own second round pick the Patriots select G/T Branden Albert, as insurance for Neal.

Round 3
With their early third round pick the Patriots select ILB, Jonathon Goff.

With their final third round pick the Patriots select CB, Chevis Jackson.

Now check out our young DBs - DRC 6'2, 184 lbs, Jackson, 6'0, 184 lbs. The Patriots are now well equipped for the future to handle the Colts receivers, and Burress won't be contested by midgets if his team can make it to the big dance again.

A lot of mocks have Albert going in the 1st round. Many to Pittsburgh. I like the idea. Just not sure he's going to be there. Maybe, Rachal from USC or Collins from Kansas. I think the other guys are likely to be on board at those slots.

kas · 03-10-2008, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by VJCPatriot

Here's the new plan. The Patriots main rivals in the postseason are the Colts and now the Giants. Both feature dangerous receivers. The Pats let some of their main db's go in Samuel and Gay, but perhaps it was on purpose as they are aiming to completely retool their DBs. Notice already the signings of Tank Williams and another corner?

Now onto the draft:

Round 1
Patriots trade back to #13 with the Carolina Panthers, to allow them to draft top DT prospect Sedrick Ellis. They also pick up the Panthers second round pick.

With the #13 pick, the Patriots select Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie. Asante who?

Round 2
With the Panthers second round pick the Patriots select pass rusher, Cliff Avril. He will be groomed as a situational pass rusher and his 4.5 speed is indicative of an explosive first step.

With their own second round pick the Patriots select G/T Branden Albert, as insurance for Neal.

Round 3
With their early third round pick the Patriots select ILB, Jonathon Goff.

With their final third round pick the Patriots select CB, Chevis Jackson.

Now check out our young DBs - DRC 6'2, 184 lbs, Jackson, 6'0, 184 lbs. The Patriots are now well equipped for the future to handle the Colts receivers, and Burress won't be contested by midgets if his team can make it to the big dance again.

I actually really like the mock, but I think some of your ideas are little misguided.

First, I don't think letting the DB's go is a new thing. We have never offered market value for DB's. Law, Samuel, Gay, Milloy are a bunch of examples of the Pats not willing to spend what other teams view these guys to be worth. Harrison is not an exception, as he signed here at a discount and then resigned at a cheaper rate too. BB's seems more willing to invest in DL and LB's with cap space, frequently replacing his DB's through the draft, particularly the mid rounds.

Also, I don't understand this fascination with a big corner. It's not like Burress had a big game in the SB - Hobbs shut him down. Ellis just got beat on one bad play, and Plaxico could have been 5'5 on that play instead of 6'5 and it wouldn't have mattered. I'd rather a short corner who might get outjumped once in awhile than a bigger corner who is gonna get beat more often. Height is actually one of the last things I value in a CB - I much prefer explosiveness, agility, toughness, and most of all ball skills.

Crazyeechrispats1 · 03-11-2008, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ayjackson

I like that, but submit this in the same scenario:

1. Quentin Groves, OLB
2. Antoine Cason, CB
2. Brandon Flowers, CB
3. Jon Goff or Philip Wheeler or Beau Bell
3. Mike McGlynn or Jon Greco

Love this draft!

Watson's IQ · 03-11-2008, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by VJCPatriot

Here's the new plan. The Patriots main rivals in the postseason are the Colts and now the Giants. Both feature dangerous receivers. The Pats let some of their main db's go in Samuel and Gay, but perhaps it was on purpose as they are aiming to completely retool their DBs. Notice already the signings of Tank Williams and another corner?

Honestly, why should we be concerned with what the Giants do? We play them once every 4 years in the regular season, and barring an unlikely Super Bowl rematch I don't see why they should be in the same breath as the Colts, who we basically play perennially now. Spending more than a second worrying about what the Giants do is looking backwards, not forwards.

As for the rest of your plan? I'm on board.

dryheat44 · 03-11-2008, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by kas

Also, I don't understand this fascination with a big corner. It's not like Burress had a big game in the SB - Hobbs shut him down. Ellis just got beat on one bad play, and Plaxico could have been 5'5 on that play instead of 6'5 and it wouldn't have mattered. I'd rather a short corner who might get outjumped once in awhile than a bigger corner who is gonna get beat more often. Height is actually one of the last things I value in a CB - I much prefer explosiveness, agility, toughness, and most of all ball skills.

Ellis definitely gets a pass from me. I don't care if he were 6'2", he wasn't making that play. Lined up one-on-one inside the five yard line, the CB has to guard against the slant first, and hope that the pass rush will get there in time for the sack/hurry. At least on the corner fade, you can get lucky and maybe the QB will throw it too far or too low. Letting the slant get underneath you is a guaranteed six.