dryheat44

Lately, I've been vocalizing that we'll probably not be able to trade down, as there seems to be no player likely available at #7 that would cause somebody to trade up.....

However, I was concentrating on teams drafting after us.

Let's say Atlanta drafts whomever is on the board of Long, Dorsey, or Long at #3.....could they then trade up to #7 to get Ryan? If they select Ryan at #3, they won't be able to get a stud on one of their lines.

I'd have to see if Atlanta can afford two top-seven salaries. Or if they can manipulate the rookie cap to do it. They have two #2s as it is. Perhaps they would trade both #2s and a 4/5 and their #1 next year?

Problem would be that the Patriots wouldn't get a pick in the first round, but with #37, 48, 62, 69, 94 in the first three rounds, they have plenty of ammunition to move back up into the first to snag somebody they really like, plus get another (likely high) first rounder for next year.

I see it as fairly unlikely, but Atlanta could be our most probably trade partner. Dimitroff there certainly won't hurt.

Could this work? Should BB do it, presented with the opportunity?

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PonyExpress

If Ryan falls, there could be several teams looking to trade up, such as Carolina, Chicago, even Baltimore 1 slot (to make sure NE doesn't trade the pick elsewhere). As far as Atlanta, this is supposed to be a very good year for OTs and there's alot of perceived quality lavailable in rd 2, Cherilus, Otah, Collins, Baker, Cousins, Nicks etc.

other players who may attract trade offers

McFadden: all it takes is one team like Denver to fall in love with him.
Dorsey: A 4-3 team looking for interior line help such as Cinci, or even Chicago, might jump considering the Dt class is considered weak after the 1st 2 players.
Clady: Some believe he is a better LT prospect than Long. If a team doesn't see a true LT available after Clady, not even Williams, they may jump.
Gholston: seems crazy not to simply draft him, but he would be a very good trading chip.

I could also see KC trading down with NE and taking Clady at 7, if the Pats really want C. Long.

dryheat44

Given. My assumption (which is purely hypothetical, since it's a posteriori knowledge) was that if Atlanta didn't think they could trade back up, they would draft Ryan at #3. If Ryan goes in the top 6 picks, I can't see the Patriots being able to trade down.

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PonyExpress

You're definitely right that going forward we have to look at Atlanta the same way he have looked at Baltimore and Chicago in the past.

ctpatsfan77

Not sure how much I like the idea, but if it rocks BB's world, who am I to argue?

As for the overall salary cap, I don't know. As for the rookie cap, they shouldn't need to manipulate it--the size of the salary cap is based on the slots used (so, if the Falcons draft #3 and #7, they would get the allotments assigned to those two slots, plus whatever they used later).

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BradyToMoss

Prior to signing Michael Turner, I would have agreed with this as being a definate possiblity. Now, not a chance. They'll take Ryan at 3 and live with their 2 2's in this deep draft. The Falcons have so many holes to fill, I just couldn't see them being interested.

I did bring this exact same scenario up in a post I put out a month ago, with the thinking of them drafting McFadden and coming back to us to ask about Ryan if he fell to us. Michael Turner just ruined that idea. Not to mention, even if they didn't sign Turner, I have bad feeling that DMac is going to drop like an anvil because of the shady background. I'm really hoping he falls to us, some team will hand us the farm for him.

dryheat44

Why? Why will teams give the farm for our pick at #7, but not the Chiefs @ 5, The Ravens @ 8, or the Bengals @9, for example? Each pick they wait, they save money on his contract. There seems to be no reason to take McFadden at 7, since neither the Pats or Ravens are going to draft him, even if a team was that high on him that they were willing to give the farm.

I think he'll fall to us, and keep on falling.

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BradyToMoss

"Why? Why will teams give the farm for our pick at #7, but not the Chiefs @ 5, The Ravens @ 8, or the Bengals @9"

No one said teams wouldn't give up the farm to the Chiefs, us, the Ravens or the Bengals. To be honest, if DMac slips by the Jets, if you look at the next 6teams, there's a real good chance he drops all the way to the Broncos or Panthers.

I could easily see the Lions, Texans, Bucs or Titans picking up the phone and calling us knowing we're one of the teams looking to trade down. Why would they take the chance hoping DMac falls into the middle of the round if they really want him that bad?

Ochmed Jones

I think the best case scenario for us is if Ryan falls to #7. Someone Detriot, Carolina, or Chicago is going to want to leapfrog Baltimore to get to Ryan.

I really think Dimitroff and Atlanta have to be crazy to pass on Ryan, especially when they can get OT's and DT's of decent quality in the second and third rounds.

If Atlanta does the unexpected and passes on Ryan, then I expect Oakland's phone to blow up. If Oakland passes on a trade, then KC's phone will blow up and so on until the unlikely event Ryan is available when we pick.

PonyExpress

I forgot to mention Dallas for McFadden at #7 as an obvious option, with #22 and #28 in return. How about this first 3 rds:

#22 OLB Groves
#28 to Atlanta for Deangelo Hall/or draft Cason
#63 OG McGlynn
#69 TE Carlson
#93 ILB B. Bell

2nd day look for NT/OT/SS/RB