PonyExpress

If Groves really is the ahtlete he is rumored to be, he is a definite wild card for the Pats. That would show he has recovered from his dislocated toe.

BelichickFan

Unofficial was a blistering 4.50. I also read he benched 30 reps.

Edit : forgot the link

http://draftheadquarters.com/blog/?p=65

sebman2112

I believe So far they've got Groves at a 4.5 or 4.52, and Gholston at a 4.64.

Groves forty time is very good for a 6'3" 250lbs LB, and that's combined with his 30 reps of 225lbs. I'll say that I know he's run even faster though, as he's previously run a 4.43 for NFL scouts. I'd be very happy to see him playing LB for the Patriots.

Also, Chris Long looks like a freak, and if the Dolphins take anyone at No.1 it should be Chris.

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Seneschal2

Groves has been a lesser option (after Gholston). An SEC player is always one to consider (I'm partial ). The only real questions about him and other candidates is the issue of playing in space, coachablilty, smarts, etc. Physically and athletically -- he's strong and fast. For him to do so well here ought to remove any doubt of work ethic issues.

Others who's names have been dropped as options are Avril and Crable. Both timed at 4.56 -- not too shabby.

Not to detour the thread, but I do like the idea of CB first in a tradedown -- then one of the edge rushers to follow.

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PatsandTrojans55

[QUOTE=Seneschal2;811918]Groves has been a lesser option (after Gholston). An SEC player is always one to consider (I'm partial ).

I'm curious as to why Groves is a "lesser" option than Gholston? Quentin is a proven OLB/ILB as well as proven edge rusher. Gholston is a project conversion to linebacker. I'm not saying Groves or Gholston are better but I'm saying 1 is a proven and the other is a "project" with bad cover skills.

sebman2112

Groves official forty time is actually 4.57.

Here are the official times of some other prospects:

Gholston: 4.67
Chris Long 4.75
Crable: 4.64

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BradyManny

Where would Groves fit in our system? ILB or OLB?

Patdown93

Groves would probably be an OLB in our system. I didn't get to see how he did in any of the drills at the combine yet, but it seems like he'd be more of a natural fit in a 3 - 4 than either Chris Long or Vernon Gholston.

Wouldn't Groves be available in the second round? As well as Cason?

primetime

I'd pick Groves over Gholston. Groves has experience with his hand off the ground (and played much better as a OLB than a DE), is an absolute physical freak (a 4.57 is a disappointing time for him, he's run as fast as 4.42 while weighing 255 lbs.), and notably comes from the best conference in the land (I'm extremely wary of any players from the Big 10, including Ohio State, as they tend to bust more often than others, while SEC players tend to make better pros than any other conference).

Though it looks like the Patriots at 7 would have the pick of either (unless the Jets take one), I'd take Groves first. The only question about him is his consistency and whether he can pick up the Patriots system. If he interviews well, he shoots up the board Mamula style (and Mamula would've made a great 3-4 OLB).

FWIW, Sporting News has Long as the first overall pick, Groves going to the Jets at #6, and Jenkins to the Patriots at #7 (again, I want nothing to do with Ohio State players, so that isn't something I'd be happy with).

ATippett56

Avril could be a better value pick than Gholston and Groves considering his experience playing both linebacker and defensive end. With the possibility of the New England Patriots trading down from number 7, the New England Patriots could possibly obtain an additional second round draft pick.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/cliff-avril?id=1330

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