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Old 04-15-2011, 09:23 PM   #21
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Every draft have bust candidates. Some of the bust candidates turn out to be booms and some of the booms turn out to be bust. That's why they are called prospects.
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Old 04-15-2011, 09:53 PM   #22
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BTW Clayborn did not lift at the Combine; that is telling me that the right arm is still a problem. However he did post the best 20 yard shuttle. He is an intriguing prospect but difficult to say where he will go. What do you do with a one-armed beast? I would hate to see him go to the Jets...
You keep referring to him as 1 armed like he is handicapped by his condition? Did you watch any Iowa games? He has full use of both arms and displays the most violent hands of "anyone" in this draft.

He was a wrecking machine the previous season and now after having a sub par season his work ethic and heart are in question by a lot of teams. And rightly so. I'm still trying to figure it out because from what little I saw of Iowa this season he should of been getting a lot of single coverage with Ballard and Klug emerging. He should of been creating havoc back there. Instead he was a giant disappointment. Where was the heart and determination? The Iowa defense was fantastic, but it seemed like it was a combination of many players doing their job and a good coach. Certainly not Clayborn dominating.
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You keep referring to him as 1 armed like he is handicapped by his condition? Did you watch any Iowa games? He has full use of both arms and displays the most violent hands of "anyone" in this draft.

He was a wrecking machine the previous season and now after having a sub par season his work ethic and heart are in question by a lot of teams. And rightly so. I'm still trying to figure it out because from what little I saw of Iowa this season he should of been getting a lot of single coverage with Ballard and Klug emerging. He should of been creating havoc back there. Instead he was a giant disappointment. Where was the heart and determination? The Iowa defense was fantastic, but it seemed like it was a combination of many players doing their job and a good coach. Certainly not Clayborn dominating.
Klug was Honorable Mention All-Big-10 as a junior, so he emerged in Clayborn's "good year," though junior Mike Daniels subbing in for Klug and Ballard began putting it all together this year and was a terror, especially when he and Klug where in together. Ballard's emergence is more an awareness of his athleticism by fans, not so much that he drew any extra attention away from Clayborn.
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Proven? Where? I'll bet if you reviewed all the many Big WR flops...you would find that a lot did not run at the Combine. It is a red flag for me; he better have a really good reason for not running ... not some lame ass excuse about not being used to the track and would run at his pro day. That does not cut it; will he only be able to play at home? No there is something wrong if he is healthy and does not run at the Combine.

As for Clayborn the the problem is visible at practice and he is only able to play on one side of the line.

What's going on here; does everything I say have a big target on it?
It was proven in the thread you started. That running at the combine didn't make a difference one way or the other.

Where do you get that Clayborn is only able to play one side of the line?
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BTW Clayborn did not lift at the Combine; that is telling me that the right arm is still a problem. However he did post the best 20 yard shuttle. He is an intriguing prospect but difficult to say where he will go. What do you do with a one-armed beast? I would hate to see him go to the Jets...
He may not have lifted at the Combine, but did so at his Pro-Day. Only a moron would automatically assume that the arm was a problem without bothering to try and find out more about the situation.

As for you having a "target" on the things you say, when you spout off and make statements that are easily refuted by fact, you should expect to be corrected.
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He may not have lifted at the Combine, but did so at his Pro-Day. Only a moron would automatically assume that the arm was a problem without bothering to try and find out more about the situation.

As for you having a "target" on the things you say, when you spout off and make statements that are easily refuted by fact, you should expect to be corrected.
Maybe it is because I say things that people don't want to hear such as calling Ron Brace a big cheeseburger or saying that Dez Bryant was the last guy the Patriots would draft. I am usually right; Brace did turn out to be a big cheeseburger (but he is improving) and the Patriots passed on Dez (twice I think). I was also raving about Gronk and McCourty when they were drafted....

Anyway there has to be a reason that someone does not run at the Combine and unless there is a medical situation the reason cannot be good. But there is no reason to fight about it; let's see who does better in the pros A. J. Green or Julio Jones. My money is on Jones...



Various sources have said that Clayborn can only play on one side of the line....don't get me wrong; he would make a great player for the Patriots. I have seen him play and he is a wrecking ball; the problem is that it seems almost impossible for us amateur draftnics to project where he will go because of the medical questions...

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No it is because I saw things that people don't want to hear such as calling Ron Brace a big cheeseburger or saying that Dez Bryant was the last guy the Patriots would draft. I am usually right; Brace did turn out to be a big cheeseburger (but he is improving) and the Patriots passed on Dez (twice I think). I was also raving about Gronk and McCourty when they were drafted...

Various sources have said that Clayborn can only play on one side of the line....don't get me wrong; he would make a great player for the Patriots. I have seen him play and he is a wrecking ball; the problem is that it seems almost impossible for us amateur draftnics to project where he will go because of the medical questions...

Umm... You've been more wrong than right.. And most people knew that the Pats weren't take Dez Bryant.

Most people knew that Ron Brace was a project.

As for Clayborn, do you have any links????
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