sbpatfan

Thought this story from ESPN was interesting with Willie Mac tutoring this guy.

New England Patriots Blog - ESPN Boston

Any opinions on this guy? I like how he plays.

Also:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMVtxfRt8ok

Sciz

Way too small. He's got "DE to ILB conversion" size, like Bruschi or Fletcher, not OLB size.

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sbpatfan

Llamar Woodley was pretty small too..

convertedpatsfan

He played under Pat Hill at Fresno, so BB should have some good insight on him.

He's not in the CDS top 100 so if there's interest, could be a later-round guy.

NFP doesn't have a great report on him, though they think he could be a good pass rushing LB. If we can get him in the 5th, could be good value.

Sciz

And it also a poor scheme fit. Success in other schemes doesn't necessarily correlate to success in the Pats' scheme. And even then, Woodley was 15 pounds heavier.

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Patriot Missile

lol..Here we go again. Must be the 2 inch syndrome again. Sets the edge=check. shed and disengage/engage blockers=check. 39 sacks in 3 years=check, stops the run=check. Covers in space=check. Give me a break people. Yes, just because a player is a fit in another system doesn't make them a fit in ours. But if I had to sign a free agent OLB I would probably be willing to take my chances that he would adapt just fine.

Off The Grid

Concur, sir. Mind you: I think he could play Flanker in SOME schemes...just not OURS.

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Sciz

Exactly. My goal is to make the scheme differences known to all of PatsFans. I feel like I'm about a third of the way there

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sbpatfan

I don't get it, this kid seems to have everything you're looking for in a pass rusher besides another two inches. Really, complaining about him being 15 pounds light? Tons of players come in underweight at every position. Look at the fire and passion he plays with.

I feel like this board is a broken record with weights and heights sometimes. And would anyone care to actually explain why Cris Carter couldn't play in the Patriots "scheme." Everyone throws that argument around out there but never states details.

Patriot Missile

A lot more than just weight comes into play. Body type and bone structure can also come into play.

Barrel bodies like Sapp and Wilfork who are short but are able to carry the weight and still play with good power and burst of speed. Once in awhile you will see someone like Zach Thomas who was what 5'10? Total tackling machine.

In a Belichick system you need strength,height and weight to play OLB. There are rare exceptions to the rule but normaly he wants his players a certain size and doesn't seem to be one to wait and see if player Z will possibly put on 10 or 15 pounds. Size seems to matter, but recognition,loyalty,intelligence and work ethic go a long way also. But the fact remains if you can't set the edge, tackle and cover equally well, you better be able to do something better than anyone else can like rush the passer or be a special teams demon to see any kind of time at all on this team.

I don't believe that there is a true prototypical size because they have varied over the years. But i would guess if you come in lower than 6'2 250 you won't be starting anytime soon in a Patriots uniform at OLB. Unless your Von Miller at 246.