value vs need revisited - New England Patriots Forums

ayjackson · 02-27-2011, 10:36 AM

Most years, with free agency preceding the draft by almost two months, teams address their roster needs in FA and then draft best talent available (generally).

If there is no FA before the draft, how much does this dynamic change? I think this year, especially for teams with a lot of roster spots to fill, you`ll see a lot of drafting for need and maybe some odd runs up the draft board for some prospects.

***cstjohn17*** · 02-27-2011, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ayjackson

Most years, with free agency preceding the draft by almost two months, teams address their roster needs in FA and then draft best talent available (generally).

If there is no FA before the draft, how much does this dynamic change? I think this year, especially for teams with a lot of roster spots to fill, you`ll see a lot of drafting for need and maybe some odd runs up the draft board for some prospects.

Good point, usually by the time the draft rolls around the Patriots have adequate athough oftem uninspiring options for every unit. The draft turns poor into average and average into good. This year they either fill open roster spots via the draft and then try to cherry pick a FA or two or take a chance that free agency will still go ahead as planned and try to pick BPA.

With the current holes I expect 2 of the top 5 picks to be offensive lineman.

Ochmed Jones · 02-27-2011, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by cstjohn17

Good point, usually by the time the draft rolls around the Patriots have adequate athough oftem uninspiring options for every unit. The draft turns poor into average and average into good. This year they either fill open roster spots via the draft and then try to cherry pick a FA or two or take a chance that free agency will still go ahead as planned and try to pick BPA.

With the current holes I expect 2 of the top 5 picks to be offensive lineman.

I would not be upset if we took 2 O linemen early,if we used the other 3 on DE and OLB players.

sg14 · 02-27-2011, 11:19 AM

This thought is not free agent driven, but speaking of value vs need, maybe BB will act more like a fan and say "I am sick of tired of no pass rush, so lets do whatever it takes to get the premier pass rusher". Then maybe not,,,

Am expecting that the defense will get most of the attention, but we do need a starting caliber Right guard, and am expecting another OT,
so 17, 28 go OLB, DE, then the two second rounders are OL,
with a later round C

Ochmed Jones · 02-27-2011, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by sg14

"I am sick of tired of no pass rush, so lets do whatever it takes to get the premier pass rusher".

I have been saying this for the past 5 years in a row.

MaineMan · 02-27-2011, 05:32 PM

This may affect some of our "need" calculations. Reiss posted this today:

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Ian Rapoport of the Boston Herald reported today, citing an unidientified source, that the Patriots have asked Kaczur to cut his $3.4 million. Kaczur does not plan to do so........

***patchick*** · 02-27-2011, 05:51 PM

Since the many possible definitions of "value" are a reliable argument starter, can we just say for the purposes of this thread that we're talking about balancing roster needs with the relative quality of players at different positions available at a given point in the draft?

Anyway...yes, this is setting up to be a very tricky draft if free agents aren't squared away. Can you afford to leave a gaping hole in your lineup, counting on securing a top FA? If everybody decides "no" and drafts more for need, will that come back to bite the veteran FAs when signings finally begin? Etc.

***mgteich*** · 02-27-2011, 06:16 PM

The patriots have relatively few needs and 6 early picks.

I do not think that the patriot should, or will, leave an gaping holes, hoping to fill that need in free agency.

There will two offsetting effects on free agents. Some wteams will pay more, some will pay less, all depending on who they were able to get in the draft. Some teams will be quite desparate.

HOW THIS AFFECTS THE PATRIOTS
1) OT is a gaping hole, since apparently Kaczur is NOT viewed as a starter.
2) OG is a gaping hole. We have Connolly at one guard spot and Neal/Wendell at the other. We may certainly look to the OT's to find our OG. We could also look to the couple of top C/G's, but the pickings are slim among guards and centers.
3) RB is a gaping hole. We need help for Green-Ellis and Woodhead.
4) DE is a gaping hole. G. Warren is not re-signed. And we cannot count on both Ty Warren and Wright being back to 100% in 2011.
5) OLB is a want, just like every year. We have youngsters Cunningham, Spikes, Fletcher and Moore. We could see an Acho or a Beal, or not.

BOTTOM LINE
I see Belichick putting a premium on the values for DE's, OG's, OT's and RB's.

To put it another way, I would be quite satisfied in we ended the 2nd round having filled these four positions. I would be even more fine if we traded 74 and 92 to move up to 55 to draft an OLB.

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Originally Posted by patchick

Since the many possible definitions of "value" are a reliable argument starter, can we just say for the purposes of this thread that we're talking about balancing roster needs with the relative quality of players at different positions available at a given point in the draft?

Anyway...yes, this is setting up to be a very tricky draft if free agents aren't squared away. Can you afford to leave a gaping hole in your lineup, counting on securing a top FA? If everybody decides "no" and drafts more for need, will that come back to bite the veteran FAs when signings finally begin? Etc.

kurtinelson · 02-27-2011, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Ochmed Jones

I have been saying this for the past 5 years in a row.

How would you address this need in this year's draft Ochmed?

***ctpatsfan77*** · 02-27-2011, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mgteich

The patriots have relatively few needs and 6 early picks.

I do not think that the patriot should, or will, leave an gaping holes, hoping to fill that need in free agency.

There will two offsetting effects on free agents. Some wteams will pay more, some will pay less, all depending on who they were able to get in the draft. Some teams will be quite desparate.

HOW THIS AFFECTS THE PATRIOTS
1) OT is a gaping hole, since apparently Kaczur is NOT viewed as a starter.
2) OG is a gaping hole. We have Connolly at one guard spot and Neal/Wendell at the other. We may certainly look to the OT's to find our OG. We could also look to the couple of top C/G's, but the pickings are slim among guards and centers.
3) RB is a gaping hole. We need help for Green-Ellis and Woodhead.
4) DE is a gaping hole. G. Warren is not re-signed. And we cannot count on both Ty Warren and Wright being back to 100% in 2011.
5) OLB is a want, just like every year. We have youngsters Cunningham, Spikes, Fletcher and Moore. We could see an Acho or a Beal, or not.

Apparently not all "gaping holes" are created the same.

Seriously, though: they need a RB, but they don't need a RB to come in and be "the man," they need one to come in and make the two-headed monster they have right now into a three-headed monster.