BB's Offensive Line preference?

[SteveKiner]

Originally Posted by Box_O_Rocks

See, I was expecting to see something like an interior OL measurable of 6'2"-6'4", 300-315 with OTs 6'4"-6'8", 305-320; 10 yard splits in the 1.85 range, verticals of 30+ inches, a minimum of two years starting, assessed by draftnik scouts as technicians, prospects drafted in the first three rounds likely to follow the 2000-2010 draft trend of college LT's only, wrestling and track experience considered a plus ... not to mention that the Shrine Game seems to be a favored hunting ground for Coach Scarnecchia and his most recent scores were LTs from non-AQ, mid-major conferences and were all 1st team ALL-Conference as seniors.

Odd that I never noticed any preference for a player's tan; it never occurred to me to suspect Coach Scarneccia of skin tone preference, not when so many of the reserves fit the measurable descriptors above while sporting richer toned tans. I wonder what it meant when NE traded for Ojinnaka last season?

He thought he was Japanese?

[Deus Irae]

When did Yates, Bussey and Hilliard become white boys?

[Criptonite]

Originally Posted by Box_O_Rocks

See, I was expecting to see something like an interior OL measurable of 6'2"-6'4", 300-315 with OTs 6'4"-6'8", 305-320; 10 yard splits in the 1.85 range, verticals of 30+ inches, a minimum of two years starting, assessed by draftnik scouts as technicians, prospects drafted in the first three rounds likely to follow the 2000-2010 draft trend of college LT's only, wrestling and track experience considered a plus ... not to mention that the Shrine Game seems to be a favored hunting ground for Coach Scarnecchia and his most recent scores were LTs from non-AQ, mid-major conferences and were all 1st team ALL-Conference as seniors.

I'll try and gather some of the offensive linemen numbers over the years of BB drafts. I have nothing better to do until the combine numbers come in. The only thing that really stands out from memory is the lack of experience many of them had. I get the impression the team likes to train the linemen themselves. They almost always take on players who are still learning the positions. Experience seems to hurt an offensive lineman's value in the eyes of BB.

Some of the recent draft picks:

Larsen - converted defensive lineman
Welch - converted tight end
Vollmer - converted tight end
Ingram - converted defensive lineman
Oldenburg - converted tight end

Then of course there's the wrestlers we've signed, Stephen Neal, Jermail Porter, John Wise, etc.

[MaineMan]

Well, while we're on the subject of proportional representation, are we sure the Pats have enough Brandons on the roster?

[WesWelker83]

This is the dumbest thread ever! I also noticed that BB only drafts black Cornerbacks! HAHA Just like the rest of the NFL!

[Deus Irae]

Originally Posted by WesWelker83

This is the dumbest thread ever! I also noticed that BB only drafts black Cornerbacks! HAHA Just like the rest of the NFL!

[Box_O_Rocks]

Originally Posted by Criptonite

I'll try and gather some of the offensive linemen numbers over the years of BB drafts. I have nothing better to do until the combine numbers come in. The only thing that really stands out from memory is the lack of experience many of them had. I get the impression the team likes to train the linemen themselves. They almost always take on players who are still learning the positions. Experience seems to hurt an offensive lineman's value in the eyes of BB.

Some of the recent draft picks:

Larsen - converted defensive lineman
Welch - converted tight end
Vollmer - converted tight end
Ingram - converted defensive lineman
Oldenburg - converted tight end

Then of course there's the wrestlers we've signed, Stephen Neal, Jermail Porter, John Wise, etc.

You'll still note Vollmer, who is the only one of those listed above taken in the first three rounds of the draft, was a two year starter at LT (25 straight games started). He's 6'7.5" 312 as of his Pro-Day, his college OL coach was the same OL coach who trained Nick Kaczur who was considered very technically sound so Coach Scar was satisfied he had good coaching, his Pro-Day 10 yd split was 1.77 and his vertical jump 36.5", further he was a college LT.

Larsen, Welch, and Oldenburg, all round six or later draftees also were two year or more starters. Ingram was a long snapper and does not fit this discussion.

Neal, Porter, and Wise were all Undrafted Free Agents who came in and were either let go or signed to the Practice Squad.

BB has drafted five OL in the first three rounds of the draft:
-- Klemm
-- Light
-- Mankins
-- Kaczur
-- Vollmer

All LTs with at least two seasons starting experience. Light is the only one from a BCS Conference, all the others are from mid-majors. The most recent three were all first team ALL-Conference, both Mankins and Kaczur were considered excellent technicians, and as noted Vollmer had a good OL coach whom Scar liked.

[NEGoldenAge]

Originally Posted by Box_O_Rocks

You'll still note Vollmer, who is the only one of those listed above taken in the first three rounds of the draft, was a two year starter at LT (25 straight games started). He's 6'7.5" 312 as of his Pro-Day, his college OL coach was the same OL coach who trained Nick Kaczur who was considered very technically sound so Coach Scar was satisfied he had good coaching, his Pro-Day 10 yd split was 1.77 and his vertical jump 36.5", further he was a college LT.

Larsen, Welch, and Oldenburg, all round six or later draftees also were two year or more starters. Ingram was a long snapper and does not fit this discussion.

Neal, Porter, and Wise were all Undrafted Free Agents who came in and were either let go or signed to the Practice Squad.

BB has drafted five OL in the first three rounds of the draft:
-- Klemm
-- Light
-- Mankins
-- Kaczur
-- Vollmer

All LTs with at least two seasons starting experience. Light is the only one from a BCS Conference, all the others are from mid-majors. The most recent three were all first team ALL-Conference, both Mankins and Kaczur were considered excellent technicians, and as noted Vollmer had a good OL coach whom Scar liked.

This is an amazingly insightful post when you consider the thread it was written in.

[Box_O_Rocks]

Originally Posted by NEGoldenAge

This is an amazingly insightful post when you consider the thread it was written in.

Damned qualifiers.

[patchick]

Originally Posted by NEGoldenAge

This is an amazingly insightful post when you consider the thread it was written in.

This thread is like a beautiful garden, sprouting from a bed of manure.

The Pats do have a very predictable o-line profile. It's notable that lightly regarded prospects who fit their profile (e.g. LeVoir) have seemed to do better here than higher-rated guys who don't (e.g. O'Callaghan).