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@ DW Toys...while I think Ingram is a good player there are better choices at #28. A lineman is where I think they will go, perhaps Stefan Wisniewski or Pouncey. A RB is a need in the draft but I like the value of taking a RB in Rd. 4 or 5; the guy I am intrigued by is Stevan Ridley, L.S.U. A TON of tread left, hasn't peaked and is a HOS...big, decisive, fast enough, can block. I like the player a lot.
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Terrible mock. IMO there only 2 WR that the Patriots would draft that would provide value. Randall Cobb, Kentucky, in Rd. 3/4 or Ryan Whalen, Stanford, in the 6th/7th. I'm also tremendously intrigued by DeAndre Brown, Southern Mississippi. He has tremendous size 6'6" 239 and decent speed. Has great production but has been hampered by injury, very interested to see what he puts up at the combine; I would see the value in taking a flier on him as well, maybe in the 6th/7th round or as an UFA.
Love Cobb, but not for the Pats. He projects strictly as a slot guy.
This draft was interesting to me because of how the other 5-technique DE, J.J. Watt and Cameron Heyward, fell. Watt lasted until 30, where we could have hypothetically gotten him with 27 had we not traded it in that mock. Heyward lasted until 34, where we could have gotten him with 33 had we not already drafted Jordan. If this happens, IRL we could have three different shots to fill the need at DE. (I see DE, OLB, DB, OL as primary needs.)
Hindsight is 20/20, but that means that in this mock, without the trade down (27 for 35 and a 4th) we could end up with Aldon Smith (at 14), Watt (at 28), and OT Gabe Carimi (33). Or, assuming we trade 28 down to 35, we could end up with Smith (14), Heyward (33), and Carimi or CB Curtis Brown (at 35). Quite the haul.
Standing pat, without trading up, could yield OLB Justin Houston (17), Watt (28), Carimi (33), and CB Rashad Carmichael (60). Or it could yield Watt (17), OG Mike Pouncey (28), LB Martez Wilson(33), and Carmichael (60). I like this cluster best, from a positional standpoint anyways.
Of course, this draft also has two QB taken in the top 5, and four taken in the top 20, which pushes down the 5-technique players. I don't think that's going to happen. Just saying that the DEs are falling far in this one.
I liked this draft because I thought it was a very good projection as to where players will come off the board. I like the draft scenarios you give within this context.
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This logic is seriously flawed, just because Maroney and Jackson were both busts you think that every RB or WR we draft in the 1st 2 rounds will be a bust? If you applied that same logic to the CB position we would not have drafted McCourty in the 1st round last year after drafting Wheatley and Butler in the 2nd round the previous 2 years.
1. CB is far more VALUABLE position than RB or WR.
2. Who won the rushing title in 2010 and where was he drafted (hint he wasnt drafted)
3. Where were the top 5 rushers of 2010 drafted, 4 of the top 5 were not even in rd #1
4. Fact - Pats have had a very poor record drafting and developing WR's ever since Bethel Johnson. Furthermore, they've had below average FA WR signings
5. Fact - Any WR drafted in past 5 yrs on Pats team has had a rookie year redshirted. Why waste another 2011 pick on someone who will not even sniff maybe two games
6. Any success Pats have had at WR position last 6 yrs has been due to TRADES (Welker, Moss)
7. Finally, fact - here your list of Pats drafted WR's in last decade (BB era). Not even 1 WR in Rd #1. Nothing will change this year. They passed on Dez Bryant, and they'll pass on Julio, Jose, Jaime, or anyone else in Rd 1 ....WR is not a position of VALUE for BB New England Patriots Drafted Wide Receivers - Wide Receivers Drafted By The New England Patriots - Fantasy Football Challenge
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I really don't see sufficient added value in Jordan over Wilkerson, Watt or Heyward to spend two picks out of the top 60 to go up for him.
Have to agree with you Cousin.
I stay where we are unless Quinn or Miller are available. Here is what I like.
I go DE Watt at #17 (rated higher at DE than Jordan by many as a five technique)
At #28 I go RB Ingram. Why? I have a suspicion this guy is like what happened to Curtis Martin prior to the Pats drafting him. Martin was dinged up and his Senior year (Ingrim is a JR) was a negative. I think BGE, Woodhead and Ingram are a great group. Ingram has more pass catching ability than BGE. They weigh about the same. BB will get the straight from Saban.
At #33 I go G Danny Watkins who is more mature and perhaps the most NFL ready O Lineman in the Draft.
Next I trade Merriweather to the Cowboys for their second rounder #40. They need a Safety and Jerry Likes high profile players. Why not Pro Bowler (I don't know about that) Merriweather*? I'd say Sanders because he is CAP heavy but you could not get much more than a 6th.
With #40 I take WR Hankerson**. He looked better than I thought he was. At 6'2" a taller WR AND he seems to have jumping ability and runs patterns well.
At #60 I go OLB Brooks Reed. Non stop, disruptive. can play with his hand off the ground and here is the key, a variety of pass rush moves (might swap Reed and Hankerson).
At #74 I go OT James Carpenter. All SEC and perhaps the most under rated OT in the Draft. Had solid Bowl game.Under the radar 27 strait games at LT.
At #92 I go BB type of pick and go Greg Romeus OLB/DE. He goes about 267 and is 6'5". He was a beast but repaired a disc in his back and then had an ACL in his Senior year. "Had this mighty defensive star from the University of Pittsburgh's 2009 season come out after his junior year, he might have been one of the first five players taken last April.
Today, Romeus is an unknown entity.
Romeus is a man-beast. At 6-7, 285 pounds, he was impressive enough to be named the Big East Defensive Player of the Year in 2009.
He had all the tools. He had the quick feet of a basketball player, and he did play the game well. He had size, quickness, strength, agility".
He might have a first round grade we can get here.
In the fourth round we could go C/G John Moffitt, Can play all O Line slots but target him for Center. A bigger, stronger Center to eventually replace Koppen.
I feel we will get a Comp pick for Watson in the fourth. I use that for S Shiloh Keo from Idaho."Active playmaker who plays with great energy. Team captain in 2009 and 2010 - 5th leading tackler with 61 tackles and 3 INTs in '10 and led team in '09. Special teams captain in 2008. Team MVP in 2007 based on exceptional special teams play (including 100 yard punt return). Shrine Bowl invitee and player very well.
Good sized safety with decent speed who will hit and make plays especially against the run. Has fluid hips and able to cover most TEs and RBs; shows good field awareness and ability to blow-up the play by taking out lead blockers. Can defend ball with either hand and has good catch skills - competetent punt returner".
6' 223 lbs.
I am swapping our fifth to the Bengals for Chad Johnson. Yes, that guy. He will make BB look like a genius for this move for at least a couple years. By them Hankerson** or Price is ready. He have no #1 WR right now, and even Holt said we need two. I think the Tate experiment winds up like Bethel. The 6'1" Chad Johnson becomes the #1 with Branch as a true #2 that he is, and Welker in the slot. Hate him or not he runs solid routes, will catch the ball in a crowd as he still caught 67 passes and 4 TDs with an average over 12 YPC in a very dysfunctional Bengals passing attack (see Team). Still enough speed to go deep? Yes. Long term answer? No. Upgrade on Tate. For sure. Better to put Branch back to #2 where is is more effective.
Main reason? He can get open. He might not be as dart quick as the oft injured Branch, but I feel he has better hands. What are you going to get in the Draft in round 5 in most cases?
The Sixth Rounder I am going CB Richard Sherman of Stanford. A 6' 2" raw CB who is a converted WR (again a multi-position BB type picks). Showed some play making ability. Had an INT in the Senior Bowl (penalty erased it). Can cover taller WRs. Understands route running techniques. Should be smart enough to pick up our defenses from Stanford and an upgrade over Wilhite although that is not saying a lot.
*I do not apologize for being one who likes to add select FAs in 2011. Two I want to make this Draft and personnel better are OLB Manny Lawson who I see as the perfect fit of BB targeted length, he is an excellent coverage OLB and he has good pass rush ability. He started all 16 games but was in a rotation deal.He should be way cheaper than a Woodley would have cost. Lawson is only 26. TBC has a severe CAP number and Lawson is an upgrade. TBC was not a good cover OLB. If we can sign Lawson for TBC type money which is like $4.5m, he is a starter for sure. Now you have Cunningham, Ninkovitch, Eric Moore and Murrell, with Draft picks Reed and Romeus (or DE) and they have some solid pash rush ability.
The other (or I do not make the Trade!!!!!!) is Champ Bailey as a FS. He can play Safety, can still be a top cover guy inside and outside. Can tackle but most of all he makes plays. Our weakness was Safety coverage in the passing game (and rush). Champ can play many positions and has solid experience. He has a few good years left. He could be like a professor in our D backfield with McCourty, Chung and Butler and I know there are a lot of James Sanders fans but he has a $3 million dollar CAP number and they say he aligns our DBs. No question Bailey can take that job.
I change this whole Draft if the Cards will trade Fitzgerald. That would be the ultimate.
This just out, Drafttek’s latest mock has us taking:
17 J.J. Watt DE34
28 Mikel LeShoure RB
33 Gabe Carimi T
60 Brooks Reed OLB34
74 Austin Pettis WR
92 Danny Watkins G
124 Chykie Brown CB
156 Derrick Locke RB