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Each year around the time we start to think about draft prospects we start trying to project compensatory draft picks. I would guess a fourth to the Patriots, based on the following.

This year these is much less activity for the Patriots.

Total list of players added:
Taylor Price
Rob Gronkowski
Aaron Hernandez
Alge Crumpler
Steve Maneri
Quinn Ojinaka
Kyle Love
Brandon Deaderick
Tracy White
Jermaine Cunningham
Brandon Spikes
Dane Fletcher
Devin McCourty
Jarrad Page
Zoltan Mesko

Steve Maneri was claimed off waivers.
Quinn Ojinnaka was acquired for a draft pick (Falcons)
Tracy White was acquired for a draft pick (Eagles)
Jarrad Page was acquired for a draft pick (Chefs)
All in italics were rookies.
Alge Crumpler was an Unrestricted Free Agent - two years, $4.8mm, $2.4mm avg

The Pats lost the following Unrestricted Free Agents:
Jarvis Green - four years, $20mm, avg $5mm/year
Ben Watson - three years, $12mm, avg $4mm/year

So assume Ben Watson cancels Crumpler - although there might be 'net free agent loss' compensation at the tail end of the seventh.

That means the Pats would only be compensated for the loss of UFA Jarvis Green.

In 2010, Adamjt13 projected that $6mm contracts were third rounders, and the highest fifth round projection was $4.8mm. He projected no fourth rounders. That would project Green as a fourth, or possibly a fifth if there was 'inflation' - which there didn't seem to be, given the limited free agency due to CBA restrictions.

Thus, based on this reasoning, the Pats would receive a late fourth for Jarvis Green. It could possibly be the first fifth compensatory pick offered. There could possibly be a 'net loss' awarded at the end of the seventh. This is more likely in a year with lower free agent movement like 2010.

I might have missed things - take a look.

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Related to this are some of the picks involved in trades.
Page was 'undisclosed.'
White was 'undisclosed.'
Ojinnaka was conditional, I believe.

Moss included a seventh back to Minnesota.
I think Maroney included a sixth going back to Denver.

I hope the Patriots don't lose fifth's and six's for Page, White, or Ojinnaka.

There should be a sixth coming from the 2009 David Thomas transaction.

While we know the outcome of the first three rounds, with the extra picks from Oakland, Carolina, and Minnesota, the fourth-seventh are more murky.

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MaineMan

By the time this actually gets posted, it will be redundant..........

ANyway, Green was cut by DEN - the team that originally signed him as a FA, so we get nothing for him, AFAIK.

We could, however, get a comp pick equivalent to the difference between Watson's contract and Crumpler's which might be a 6th or a 7th?

mgteich

adamj will tell us the real scoop. Doesn't Gerard Warren count?

What about additions after season started like Woodhead and Moore?

MaineMan

I think Warren was actually cut by the Raiders. Woodhead was definitely cut by the Jets. Moore came out of the UFL, so NFL FA rules probably don't apply.

MaineMan

According to my tracking sheet .......
- Tracy White was acquired for a 2012 7th rounder. If so, then not part of this year's equation.
- The "conditional" part of the Ojinnaka trade probably voided all compensation for him when he was cut on 9/30/10 (even though he was later re-signed). I have it as originally being a 2011 7th.
- Page was an RFA with KC and the Pats picked him up after he signed his tender, so, no telling on that one, though the most persistent rumor at the time was a 2011 5th.
- We got a 2011 7th for Thomas which was immediately traded to the NYG for TE Michael Matthews. However, that was apparently voided when Matthews was cut (after about 10 minutes).

ctpatsfan77

AdamJT13 has found that the only compensation that ever results from "loss of talent" without "loss of numbers" is a comp 7 after all other 7th round comp pick. Sometimes, depending on numbers, there's no compensation at all.

And to reiterate what's been said before: (1) players who are signed after the season begins (Woodhead) never change the results; (2) players who are waived by their teams (G.Warren) do not count for the team that waived them or against the team that signs them; (3) players acquired via trades (Page) never count for the team that traded them or against the team trading for them, conditional or not.

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MaineMan

IOW - the Crumpler v Watson thing could result in a pick close to Mr. Irrelevant or even nothing at all.

The rest of that post was simply conveying the info I had on those trades. Didn't mean to imply that I thought there was any effect on compensatories.

ctpatsfan77

Fair enough, I was just reiterating stuff that's been mentioned in previous threads, with explanations, in the hopes that we don't have to do it every three days.

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Aßßynormal

What about the fact that Crumpler was a long term veteran ....... do they require any compensation at all? IOW, does it matter to the formula that we signed him?