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Old 10-27-2010, 09:02 PM   #1
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I used to be excited about this draft but now I am not so sure. Ron "Flounder" Brace does indeed a look like a disaster but now I don't know what to make of Butler. He looked good last year but lost confidence this year. He certainly has the speed but he need to work on ball skills; I certainly hope he can turn it around; I would hate to think that the Patriots made such a hash of the second round...
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Old 10-27-2010, 09:06 PM   #2
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I used to be excited about this draft but now I am not so sure. Ron "Flounder" Brace does indeed a look like a disaster but now I don't know what to make of Butler. He looked good last year but lost confidence this year. He certainly has the speed but he need to work on ball skills; I certainly hope he can turn it around; I would hate to think that the Patriots made such a hash of the second round...
Don't forget the players from the 2010 draft that were taken because of the 2009 trades.

That said, between Vollmer, Chung, Tate and Edelman the Patriots got some damn fine players.
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Overall you can not complain. Especially if their only whiff was Brace. Brace was a economic decision (Krafts?) not a football decision
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Overall you can not complain. Especially if their only whiff was Brace. Brace was a economic decision (Krafts?) not a football decision
Hold on...did you really just suggest that the Krafts overruled the football guys and insisted that they spend the #40 overall pick on Brace for economic reasons? As in, the struggling Patriots franchise was desperate to ride the coattails of the massive Boston College football following, who would eagerly tune in to watch a defensive tackle draw double teams?

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Hold on...did you really just suggest that the Krafts overruled the football guys and insisted that they spend the #40 overall pick on Brace for economic reasons? As in, the struggling Patriots franchise was desperate to ride the coattails of the massive Boston College football following, who would eagerly tune in to watch a defensive tackle draw double teams?

As in, "The Krafts are too cheap to pay Wilfork, so let's draft his insurance."

So, yeah, to sum up, I'll go with your response:
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You can't just point out the bad of 2009 when your looking at it you have to point out the good.

2a Chung - Starting Safety - Great Pick
2b Butler - Started start of the year but has now fallen out of favor... atm looking bad.
2c Brace - Has started games but it's hard to gauge this one as now he has lost time to a developing Deadrick.
2d Vollmer - Starting RT started LT and RT last year... Homerun

3a Tate - Special KR and 3rd wr - Basically his rookie season this gets a pass
3b Mckenzie - Injured then PS - Sort of becomes moot now spikes is here, and Fletcher has also been getting more time so seems to be our 5th ILB

4 Ohrnberger - too early

5 Bussey - too early

6a Ingram - Starting Long snapper great last year so so this year... pass
6b Pryor - In the rotation in sub packages as a penetrating DL great value pick

7a Edelman - What do i have to say great last year. medium this year but we suspect some injuries haven't helped. For a 7th round qb who ato ne point last year was our #2 wr... great pick

7b Richard - ps ... SO SO

Looking at that draft as a whole it is a positive draft we gained 2 starters, plus ingram, edelman, tate who have started/contributed alot at their respective positions. Now maybe we miss on brace and butler but unlike other teams with less picks, we aren't as hurt by that. But here's hping they come through for us anyway. I say it was a good draft 1 starter away from being a very good draft
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Way too early to be calling anyone from 2009 a bust. Players don't follow a linear path to the field, careers have ebbs and flow. Take Samuel and Wilson as an example. One year after that draft you would have said Wilson looks like a future STUD and Samuel might be a nice 3rd or fourth corner, now a little different. So just relax and enjoy the recent run of wins.
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I think that this was a very good draft. We shouldn't underestimate the two wideouts who are turned out to be our #3 and #4 receivers as well being our punt and kick returners.

I think that Butler will eventually learn enough to be our nickel or dime back.

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You can't just point out the bad of 2009 when your looking at it you have to point out the good.

2a Chung - Starting Safety - Great Pick
2b Butler - Started start of the year but has now fallen out of favor... atm looking bad.
2c Brace - Has started games but it's hard to gauge this one as now he has lost time to a developing Deadrick.
2d Vollmer - Starting RT started LT and RT last year... Homerun

3a Tate - Special KR and 3rd wr - Basically his rookie season this gets a pass
3b Mckenzie - Injured then PS - Sort of becomes moot now spikes is here, and Fletcher has also been getting more time so seems to be our 5th ILB

4 Ohrnberger - too early

5 Bussey - too early

6a Ingram - Starting Long snapper great last year so so this year... pass
6b Pryor - In the rotation in sub packages as a penetrating DL great value pick

7a Edelman - What do i have to say great last year. medium this year but we suspect some injuries haven't helped. For a 7th round qb who ato ne point last year was our #2 wr... great pick

7b Richard - ps ... SO SO

Looking at that draft as a whole it is a positive draft we gained 2 starters, plus ingram, edelman, tate who have started/contributed alot at their respective positions. Now maybe we miss on brace and butler but unlike other teams with less picks, we aren't as hurt by that. But here's hping they come through for us anyway. I say it was a good draft 1 starter away from being a very good draft
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As in, "The Krafts are too cheap to pay Wilfork, so let's draft his insurance."

So, yeah, to sum up, I'll go with your response:
Yes. Maybe the Krafts were concerned that they could not sign Vince or maybe they told BB to draft an moose for the middle in case Vince walked or they wanted to not be in an awkward position negotiating the deal with no fall back position. Far-fetched but possible.

Brace was certainly drafted as Wilfork insurance. Whether the Krafts got involved is hard to say...

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Yes. Maybe the Krafts were concerned that they could not sign Vince or maybe they told BB to draft an moose for the middle in case Vince walked or they wanted to not be in an awkward position negotiating the deal with no fall back position. Far-fetched but possible.

Brace was certainly drafted as Wilfork insurance. Whether the Krafts got involved is hard to say...
No, it's not hard to say, in fact it's very easy to say - it's bollocks.

If you believe it was an economic Draft decision, you should be ignored from now on, because you're utterly, totally, certifiably, a stark raving lunatic.
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