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SeauOUCH · 04-23-2010, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by jeffbiologist

I dont know. Not being negative, but is McCorty really the guy we had targeted from the beginning?? Value, shmalue, I think we sat and waited for a guy or 2 to fall to us(not wanting to pay for trading up) and they didnt(Gresham or Spoon?) so we traded back and gained that "HOLY MISSING 3rd!"....We have the ammo to move up to get who we wanted that didnt play CB and we didnt. Did we fear making a bigger hole between 53 and the bottom?? What are the chances of #119 making an impact or making the team altogether?? I'm in favor of improving the high end talent on this team and filling in the bottom with jags.....I'm afraid all we did was improve our middle class players....

a poster on the SOSH board who has an inside source posted before the draft that Pouncey & McCourty are the 2 guys the Pats were targeting in the 1st. So when Pouncey came off the board McCourty was their #1 target. Most GM's would be happy & simply take their guy @22 but BB got us an extra 3rd by trading to 2 spots before McCourty was gonna go ( Jets were gonna take him @29 )

BB is by far the best trader in the NFL ( & a top 5 drafter )

BradyBranch39 · 04-23-2010, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by PatsFanInVa

Golden Tate too... yeah, deep WR draft. Good DE/OLB prospects still left.

I've got a little secret - I understand the "invisible" special teams pickup value. You don't pick up a 1st rounder JUST for special teams, or at least you shouldn't. But getting the best STer in the draft if you think he's got promise at his position too is defensible.

That's one reason I still think Kindle is going to end up in a Pats uniform, just way lower. It ain't sexy but that seems to be the unifying logic at work behind many of the Pats' picks in the past few years.

If we can get Tate at 44, I'll forget about Bryant quickly

***reflexblue*** · 04-23-2010, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by BelichickFan

I wanted BPA last night because we have three #2s. It gave us the chance to get a guy we really liked knowing we still have 3 picks from the second round buffet. It's all good, I'd love a pass rusher and a WR. Then for 2c and 3 I could be talked into a WR, RB or more pass rushing. There's a TON out there still.

I wanted the best BA pass rusher, we haven't had a good pass rusher in a couple of years. One of the most frustrating things to watch is the opposing QB standing in the pocket with all day to pass. I think mccourty is a fine pick at CB, but imo CB isn't nearly the need that a pass rusher was/ is. I had no problem not taking Bryant, i think he'll implode in Dallas.

***BelichickFan*** · 04-23-2010, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by reflexblue

I wanted the best BA pass rusher, we haven't had a good pass rusher in a couple of years. One of the most frustrating things to watch is the opposing QB standing in the pocket with all day to pass. I think mccourty is a fine pick at CB, but imo CB isn't nearly the need that a pass rusher was/ is.

I don't think the right guy was there. Whether is was injurues (Kindle, Sapp, Wooten), short arms and height (Hughes), work ethic and attitude (Griffen, Dunlap), etc, the RIGHT guy wasn't there.

Meanwhile most of them are still available, we'll likely take one as the risk gets lower with 2nd round picks vs. 1st round.

***reflexblue*** · 04-23-2010, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by BelichickFan

I don't think the right guy was there. Whether is was injurues (Kindle, Sapp, Wooten), short arms and height (Hughes), work ethic and attitude (Griffen, Dunlap), etc, the RIGHT guy wasn't there.

Meanwhile most of them are still available, we'll likely take one as the risk gets lower with 2nd round picks vs. 1st round.

The only one i would have taken was Hughes. Next fall when Hughes is chasing down Brady those two inches aren't going to mean much.

***BelichickFan*** · 04-23-2010, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by reflexblue

The only one i would have taken was Hughes. Next fall when Hughes is chasing down Brady those two inches aren't going to mean much.

Bruschi explained why arm length is important in LB disengaging, we play a different defense than the Colts; I'm sure Hughes was on our board but playing OLB for us is difficult if your arms are short.

patsfan55 · 04-23-2010, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SeauOUCH

Compare his style to Jacksonville, they took a guy at 10 they could of had in the late 20's ( still a reach ) & their GM said "nobody called us about trading down."

yet the next 3 picks in a row were all trades

Someone needs to inform their GM phones can dial out as well as receive.

I have a client in Jacksonville (who has the biggest man crush on Tebow btw) who informed me about what the Jags said about nobody calling, I couldn't help but laugh as he told me this over the phone this morning.

RodThePat · 04-23-2010, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by reflexblue

The only one i would have taken was Hughes. Next fall when Hughes is chasing down Brady those two inches aren't going to mean much.

Hughes is absolutely perfect for Indy's system. That's a great pick for them. I don't know if he could set the edge, cover TEs and play the run effectively enough to succeed here, though. His pass rushing skills are very, very good, that's undeniable, but that doesn't warrant a first round pick in our system. If we are picking an OLB in the first round it should be a guy who can play all three downs. Even if he's not exceptional at any of the requisites for the position, he's got to be able to do everything well.

Feep50 · 04-23-2010, 01:31 PM

I was SURE the pick was gonna be an OLB, I mean Positive! Just like last year when I thought it was gonna be Matthews. Shows me how much I don't know.

McCourty, however does represent good value at #27 and picking up #90 in the bargain. I saw McCourty on several mocks in the mid to upper 20's to low second round.

All and all I can't complain. I fully expect one of our second rounders traded for a veteran player. Which one you ask? I have NO EARTHLY IDEA!

Tonight should be interesting and intriguing to say the least. 3 and half hours till the show begins................

BTW: I love reading all of your posts here and appreciate all your passion/comments/analysis/commentary/ etc.......

***Box_O_Rocks*** · 04-23-2010, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SeauOUCH

If there wasn't trade downs at 11,12 & 13 I might believe him. He more than likely stupidly decided he wasn't going to take any penny less than the "value chart" indicated. According to the chart the Eagles made out well with their trade up to 13 ( giving up 2 3rds ) if he turned down an offer like that he is a fool.

Yes, but teams may have been concerned with what agents will demand for slot #10, which was the point I was trying to articulate. I don't know the guy, he was brought in to help Jacksonville clean up their locker room, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.