robertweathers

I understand that it is a BIG gamble to trade up and go after an unproven talent at the NFL level, but I'll make the argument to trade up for this kid anyway.

Pros

1. Throughout the 2000s, the Pats not only had solid locker room guys, but had top-level talent in a number of areas. Adding Suh would give the D-line incredible talent for years to come that would be home grown.

2. He would be ready for an extension when Warren (2013) and Wilfork (2014) are up.

3. Schematically, in his prime Seymour meant a lot to this defense. (taking on double-teams, allowing OLBs and other DTs matched up 1:1 with players on the o-line, generated decent pressure, great vs the run). By adding a talent like Suh, the team would take a quantum leap forward in that department.

4. You have the 22nd pick this year. You have OAK #1 next year. You have 3 #2s. You have (budget & cap considerations in 2010 notwithstanding) the ability to dole out a good chunk of change to the kid without (provided the deal is structured properly) experiencing long term cap-ramifications. Not sure how many picks it would take, but IMO the Pats have the currency to do a deal.

Cons

1. With a deep draft, the team can fill a number or areas with high-quality talent.

2. He'd cost a ton and may limit the team in other areas

3. Already drafted Brace and Pryor. May be seen as a admission of "missing" on Brace (as if BB cares)

4. Suh's agent is Eugene Parker. Parker and the Pats have a rocky history. He is Seymour's agent too.

5. If the kid becomes the next Ken Sims, the team is screwed for years.


Looking forward to the thoughts....

RW

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tanked_as_usual

way too much resources required between draft picks used and the $$ it would take to sign him

suh or odrick for 1/8th the price plus 4 other potential starters as well as $$$ to sign a FA

the pats would have been better off giving peppers 15M / yr

not to mention the fact that suh is not nearly as mobile as seymour is/was

BelichickFan

You can add to the Pros that Detroit really wants to move down and Jim Schwartz is a Belichick guy so there's a good relationship there and a team looking to move down. We could probably do it for our #1 this year and next IMO.

That said, it would just cost too much money.

R_T26

How would it make since to trade half your draft to get Suh, and pay him more guaranteed money then Peppers got, when you still wouldnt have any outside passrush.

Plus this would never happen.

tobias funke

In one of the deepest drafts in recent history, one in which the Patriots hold 4 valuable picks in the first two rounds, you really think that they ought to abandon it all to take one guy on the defensive line? Even with Wilfork, Warren, Wright, and Pryor under contract, with the possible emergence of Brace?

I'm sorry, I've thought about the Pats moving up to take McCoy or Suh, but there just doesn't seem to be any way to justify it.

Sicilian

If we were one good defensive lineman away from having no holes, this would be a consideration. But we have too many needs on offense AND defense to consider going all Ditka on this and trading away the farm for one player.

ctpatsfan77

I'm just curious here: if the Pats saw this draft the way they did the 2007 draft (a whole lot of meh), could you see them doing it?

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robertweathers

All great points...

According to the NFL Draft Trade Value Chart, to acquire the #2 pick (2600 points), the Pats would either need to give up their first 4 picks this year and their 4th rounder) or give up their #1 this year, their #1 next year and either their 44th or 47th selection this year.

Very expensive to acquire picks. Very expensive for money. Very high-risk/reward.

http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/Value-Chart.php

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mgteich

We entered the 2007 draft with one pick in the first three rounds. We drafted Meriweather.
If we do as well in our 2010 choices in the first three rounds, we could have an improved defense for the next four years.

tobias funke

Honestly, I don't. Belichick is clearly a value guy, and giving up what he'd have to just to get a single player who will require an enormous deal to sign goes against the very definition of 'value'.