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Old 01-06-2010, 10:04 PM   #1
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A new offensive coordinator!!

As Charlie accepts his new job in Pioli's new organzation, I can hope that we will have as good a coordinator over the next few seasons as KC does.

I have seen coordinators come and go. I have seen all kinds of quality in game plans. I have seen many coaching staffs try to make up for weaknesses. I've seen success without receivers, success without a running, a AFC Championship with Tony Eason as our QB. For me, this day, I not recall a wider difference in so short a time as the difference between Charlie and Obrien.

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A new offensive coordinator!!

As Charlie accepts his new job in Pioli's new organzation, I can hope that we will have as good a coordinator over the next few seasons as KC does.

I have seen coordinators come and go. I have seen all kinds of quality in game plans. I have seen many coaching staffs try to make up for weaknesses. I've seen success without receivers, success without a running, a AFC Championship with Tony Eason as our QB. For me, this day, I not recall a wider difference in so short a time as the difference between Charlie and Obrien.
Now that Weiss is off the market, do you have any suggestions?
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Old 01-07-2010, 01:59 PM   #3
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Actually, I don't. If Belichick want to bring in an experienced QB coach or an OC or assistant OC, he knows the coaches better than anyone. He has brought in experienced coaches in the past including our current ST coach Obrien in 2009.

I don't like the idea of Obrien being acting OC and QB coach. I didn't like it whan Josh was in those roles.

It is NOT that Obrien is so horrible. After all, the offense generally played very well this eyar. Obrien is simply inexperienced and trying to perform at top level in two positions. IMHO, the patriots would have greatly benefitted from having one more exp[erienced head working on the game plans and most importantly in the half-time locker room and on the field in the second half. There were clearly second half breakdowns. Did we fail to adjust? Did we fail to adjsut to the other team's adjustments? Did we simply fail to call upon the plays that might have worked better in certain situations? Did we not know when to trust Brady to call all the plays and when to call plays form the sideline? I don't know the answer. My gut says that a full complement of coaches would have helped.

Should we just accept that we will lose a couple of games while we train up an OC who has 2 years of nfl experience and is expected to do two jobs?


HOWEVER, there is considerable danger in bringing in a high-profile OC who would want to change the system and make his imprint. I don't think the patriots need that. Certainly Brady, Moss, Welker and the well-coached OL don't need that.

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Actually, I don't. If Belichick want to bring in an experienced QB coach or an OC or assistant OC, he knows the coaches better than anyone. He has brought in experienced coaches in the past including our current ST coach Obrien in 2009.

I don't like the idea of Obrien being acting OC and QB coach. I didn't like it whan Josh was in those roles.

It is NOT that Obrien is so horrible. After all, the offense generally played very well this eyar. Obrien is simply inexperienced and trying to perform at top level in two positions. IMHO, the patriots would have greatly benefitted from having one more exp[erienced head working on the game plans and most importantly in the half-time locker room and on the field in the second half. There were clearly second half breakdowns. Did we fail to adjust? Did we fail to adjsut to the other team's adjustments? Did we simply fail to call upon the plays that might have worked better in certain situations? Did we not know when to trust Brady to call all the plays and when to call plays form the sideline? I don't know the answer. My gut says that a full complement of coaches would have helped.

Should we just accept that we will lose a couple of games while we train up an OC who has 2 years of nfl experience and is expected to do two jobs?


HOWEVER, there is considerable danger in bringing in a high-profile OC who would want to change the system and make his imprint. I don't think the patriots need that. Certainly Brady, Moss, Welker and the well-coached OL don't need that.
One of things I would like to see is better personnel decisions in the off season. I believe the decision not to resign Gafney has really hurt there offense more than anything. Not only did they miss his 10-15 yard patterns he could also go deep. Endleman is at best a slot reciever but definetly next year recievers and pass rushers are the priority it has to be. I have already come to the conclusion that Wilfork will be franchised and then he will be gone in 2011 probably the same with Mankins. The players know if you want to get paid you have to go somewhere else which is fine with me but sooner or later there business model will catch up to them. In their system they can draft players to replace All pro and very good players in a pure business sense it's a great deal for these owners but there is a huge variable which athlete's aren't all the same so you have to consistantly draft well which I don't think we have done well the last four years. Brady is in his prime time to maximize.
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I see disappointment in the future for folks shopping a new OC.
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It's the same need we've had for the past 5 years...

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I would as well but has BB ever fired any of his coaches before?
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Gaffney had 38 catches all last season. He wanted way too much money for that production. The WR situationn was delat with in many ways.

Belichick shouldn't have counted on Tate and an injured Edelman (who is only a slot back in any case). We had two other viable options: Galloway and Lewis. Apparently our well-qualified OC, who was previously our WR coach, was unable to develop plays to use the skills of either of these players.

The system of allocation of funds does not catch up with you. It is a reality. There are not unlimited funds available. Any monies paid to one player are not paid to another.

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I would as well but has BB ever fired any of his coaches before?
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It's the same need we've had for the past 5 years...

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Couldn't have made it any clearer.

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