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Old 12-26-2009, 06:19 AM   #1
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I watched Texas Tech beat Nebraska this year. Suh was the focus for me. In the first half, at least, he was simply dominated by a mountain of a man, a freakshow, an all american guard Brandon Carter.

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So he's huge, but how huge? He's listed anywhere between 6'5" and 6'7" and 344 pounds. He simply was too big for the great Suh.
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Not a Pats style OG.
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Old 12-26-2009, 09:35 AM   #3
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I watched Texas Tech beat Nebraska this year. Suh was the focus for me. In the first half, at least, he was simply dominated by a mountain of a man, a freakshow, an all american guard Brandon Carter.

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So he's huge, but how huge? He's listed anywhere between 6'5" and 6'7" and 344 pounds. He simply was too big for the great Suh.
It was not simply that he is big,it is his tremendous first step for a guy that big. Texas Tech OL plays with huge splits, normally Suh would be through those splits in a heartbeat, but Carter was too quick for him that day.
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Not a Pats style OG.
I am not sure about that, he may be bigger than usual but Tech plays in a very pass oriented offense (empty sets, etc.). IMO we could use a few road graders, short yardage has not exactly been our strength.
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I am not sure about that, he may be bigger than usual but Tech plays in a very pass oriented offense (empty sets, etc.). IMO we could use a few road graders, short yardage has not exactly been our strength.
I think that is a function of having a small center, it makes the middle tough to get any push. Mankins and Neal can road grade, but Koppen gets no significant push that I can see.

And if Koppen was great at pulling,then I could see his value, but I really see Koppen pulling,so I just don't get what BB sees in him.
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I think that is a function of having a small center, it makes the middle tough to get any push. Mankins and Neal can road grade, but Koppen gets no significant push that I can see.

And if Koppen was great at pulling,then I could see his value, but I really see Koppen pulling,so I just don't get what BB sees in him.
Consistent ball handling coupled with his ability to make correct line calls. He's technically proficient with his technique and also quite agile on screens and the occasional pulling block. It's clear Dante and Bill like consistency in their ball handlers and will forgive some warts to know they will get a specific result they like.
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Not a Pats style OG.
I concur, he's more of a Dallas, Chicago, Pittsburgh bulldozer type.
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Consistent ball handling coupled with his ability to make correct line calls. He's technically proficient with his technique and also quite agile on screens and the occasional pulling block. It's clear Dante and Bill like consistency in their ball handlers and will forgive some warts to know they will get a specific result they like.
I hear you. He does have his strong points. The problem is short yardage situations. We can't run on other teams in those situations because he usually gets pushed back. I don't think he's an every down player. If he was, I think the Pats could at least keep Faulk in the back field on 4th and 2. Against the small defensive line of the Colts, they blitzed up the middle and got pressure on the quarterback. That was why Brady was only able to make one read to Faulk, when Welker was open.

I'm not saying that he's a bad player, but his short comings helped make us come up short as a team when it really counted.
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I hear you. He does have his strong points. The problem is short yardage situations. We can't run on other teams in those situations because he usually gets pushed back. I don't think he's an every down player. If he was, I think the Pats could at least keep Faulk in the back field on 4th and 2. Against the small defensive line of the Colts, they blitzed up the middle and got pressure on the quarterback. That was why Brady was only able to make one read to Faulk, when Welker was open.

I'm not saying that he's a bad player, but his short comings helped make us come up short as a team when it really counted.
So does BB try to upgrade the position or stick with a tried and true player, less the push on short yardage?
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It was not simply that he is big,it is his tremendous first step for a guy that big. Texas Tech OL plays with huge splits, normally Suh would be through those splits in a heartbeat, but Carter was too quick for him that day.
There are several other big OGs with good quickness and feet. Mike Iupati is 6'6" 330# with very good quickness, and Vlad Ducasse (6'5" 328#) and junior Gabe Carimi (6'7" 325#) are both extremely powerful but played OT in college, and have good movement for guards. I think that kind of player would do a lot of helping Koppen out with the big guys on the interior.
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