mayoclinic

Consider the following draft scenario:

14. NO - Beanie Wells or Knowshon Moreno, RB
23. NE - Connor Barwin, OLB
34. NE - Louis Delmas, S

Now suppose NE is sitting at pick #47 with the following players on the board:

- Jarron Gilbert, DE
- Eric Wood, OG/C
- William Moore, S

Which of the following options would you prefer:

1. Option A: NE takes one of Gilbert/Wood at 47 and either hopes the other lasts to 58, or packages #89 and 58 to move up and get the other, ending up with Barwin/Delmas/Gilbert/Wood.

2. Option B: NE trades #47 and a conditional 2010 pick to NO for their 2010 1st round pick. NO has no 2nd or 3rd, desperately needs a S, and is said to covet Moore. The conditional pick could be dependent on NO's 2010 draft status (31-32 = 7th rounder, 25-30=6th, 20-25=5th, 15-20=4th, <15=3rd). NE then either hopes one of Gilbert/Wood lasts to 58 or packages #89 and 58 to move up and get one, ending up with Barwin/Delmas and either Gilbert or Wood, plus an extra 2010 1st round pick.

Which option would you prefer? It's difficult, as Barwin/Delmas/Gilbert/Wood would be an amazing first day, but I think I'd go for option B. With a strong 2010 draft and two 1sts plus a 2nd we would be in great shape. We might be able to move up and get a franchise OT like Brian Bulaga or a top 3-4 DE like Ndamukong Suh, or package our original #1 and #2 and move up for an SILB like Brandon Spikes or Rolando McClain. Or, use one 1st on OT, one on DE (like Arthur Jones or Lawrence Marsh), and our 2nd on a WR like Marshawn Gilyard or Brandon LaFell.

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farn

Any scenario that involves craploads of defensive players joining the team.

In your scenario : I like getting a #1 in '10 (even though I think it's an unrealistic scenario). Firstly, there are just so many spots available on the Pats (veteran team with talent). Secondly, a #47 for a 1st rounder is a no-brainer (but ricidulous for NO). Thirdly, we know BB will most likely move one the #2s... and he loves gathering future picks.

Box_O_Rocks

If Gilbert's there you take him. Wood is nice, but there are other C/G types worth drafting well into the 4th round, and even a couple good ones who may last to UDFA. Moore may be someone NO likes, but they can still get a good Safety in later rounds without giving up a 2010 1st.

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carolinatony

"Any scenario that involves craploads of defensive players joining the team"


I agree with you on this.

jays52

I move out for a #1 considering the 5-tech depth in the next draft. Call me crazy, but we may move out of 23 for a future #1 and a 2009 #3, parlay that 3 and a second to move back into the end of the round for Barwin and take Delmas at 34.

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mayoclinic

Why do you think it's unrealistic? With no 2nd or 3rd round pick and a player they covet (and who is a low 1st/high 2nd rounder on some draft boards) still available, why not move up? Generally, a one round premium is considered acceptable to move up a year. Indy traded their 2008 1st (which turned out to be #29) for #42 in 2007 in order to move up and fill a position of need, getting OT Tony Ugoh. NO expects to compete for a playoff berth and potentially the SB in 2009, so I'm sure they're expecting to pick in the 20's. I structured the deal so that NO also got a conditional pick in 2010, possibly as high as a 3rd rounder. If they ended up making the playoffs or SB then I don't think they would regret the trade. If they didn't do so well then trading a 2010 1st for a mid-2009 2nd and a 2010 3rd doesn't seem unreasonable. Again, this is in the setting where NO really wants to get Moore and they don't have many options.

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Mike the Brit

Now THAT's what I call greedy!

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mayoclinic

No, that's what I call brilliant. As far as I can tell, we would take 23, 34, 47 and 58 and end up with Barwin, Delmas, a 2010 1st and #58, which is pretty much what I suggested with the NO trade. Same result, different path. And again, we could still potentially package #89 and #58 to move up to get someone like Gilbert, Wood, or a SILB candidate (Ayers, English or Sintim) if they were still available.

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supafly

Whatever the outcome, and however they do it--I certainly expect moving at least 2 picks to next yr. My reasoning is that there's just not that much room this yr for too many guys. I expect a surprise cut or 2 to free up some youth, but I agree on moving towards 2010.

Your scenario sounds just as good as any other, why not?

Feep50

Too complicated for me........... I'll just wait till draft weekend and see what happens!