Originally Posted by farn

Any scenario that involves craploads of defensive players joining the team.

In your scenario : I like getting a #1 in '10 (even though I think it's an unrealistic scenario). Firstly, there are just so many spots available on the Pats (veteran team with talent). Secondly, a #47 for a 1st rounder is a no-brainer (but ricidulous for NO). Thirdly, we know BB will most likely move one the #2s... and he loves gathering future picks.

Originally Posted by patman52

The saints should be drafting after 25 next year. So your trading 20 spots to move up a year. It could happen.

Originally Posted by Mike the Brit

I meant it as a compliment. (For extra credit, spot the film -- "Mother always said you were greedy." "She meant it as a compliment.")

Originally Posted by mayoclinic

We moved up 18 spots in our trade with San Diego (69 to 47) and 21 spots in our trade with San Francisco (28 to 7). San Francisco moved up 13 spots with Indy (42 to 29). There's obviously some uncertainty built in, which is why I included a conditional pick. Again, I could see the Saints paying a bit of premium to get back into the 2nd round and get a player they value at a position of need.

Originally Posted by MetalBleachers

Found it! But I won't say because I cheated online.

Originally Posted by mayoclinic

Consider the following draft scenario:

14. NO - Beanie Wells or Knowshon Moreno, RB
23. NE - Connor Barwin, OLB
34. NE - Louis Delmas, S

Now suppose NE is sitting at pick #47 with the following players on the board:

- Jarron Gilbert, DE
- Eric Wood, OG/C
- William Moore, S

Which of the following options would you prefer:

1. Option A: NE takes one of Gilbert/Wood at 47 and either hopes the other lasts to 58, or packages #89 and 58 to move up and get the other, ending up with Barwin/Delmas/Gilbert/Wood.

2. Option B: NE trades #47 and a conditional 2010 pick to NO for their 2010 1st round pick. NO has no 2nd or 3rd, desperately needs a S, and is said to covet Moore. The conditional pick could be dependent on NO's 2010 draft status (31-32 = 7th rounder, 25-30=6th, 20-25=5th, 15-20=4th, <15=3rd). NE then either hopes one of Gilbert/Wood lasts to 58 or packages #89 and 58 to move up and get one, ending up with Barwin/Delmas and either Gilbert or Wood, plus an extra 2010 1st round pick.

Which option would you prefer? It's difficult, as Barwin/Delmas/Gilbert/Wood would be an amazing first day, but I think I'd go for option B. With a strong 2010 draft and two 1sts plus a 2nd we would be in great shape. We might be able to move up and get a franchise OT like Brian Bulaga or a top 3-4 DE like Ndamukong Suh, or package our original #1 and #2 and move up for an SILB like Brandon Spikes or Rolando McClain. Or, use one 1st on OT, one on DE (like Arthur Jones or Lawrence Marsh), and our 2nd on a WR like Marshawn Gilyard or Brandon LaFell.

Originally Posted by CanadianPat'sFan

I have been doing alot of homework on the Saints and their draft. They have nothing for picks other then #14. In our mock draft I traded that pick to the Giants for #29 and #45 to get a second day one pick. After that they have two in the fourth round then do not pick until the seventh. To add to all of this they do not even have a comp pick handed a week ago.

I love the idea of the first rounder we could get as they were not that great this year and if Drew B. gets injured we would all be counting the spots we move up in the first round when Brunell gets under center.

Originally Posted by mayoclinic

I used some of your thoughts in designing this scenario. I think the Saints would love to trade down from #14 and get a 2nd round pick, but I'm not sure that there will be suitors. In addition, they've been vocal about wanting to improve their running game, and with Wells gaining ground since his pro day if he were available at #14 they might have a hard time passing him up. In that case, they might be willing to pay a premium to move back into the 2nd round if a player they wanted (Moore, who they are rumored to like a lot) is still available.