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BradyManny2344 · #1 11-15-2008, 11:14 AM

Let's move to the offensive side of the ball. Since Neal has come back, and Kaczur has come back strong after a slow start to the season, the OL is shored up. But there are still long term and depth needs:

OFFENSIVE LINE (13), 7 signed, 6 unsigned

LT - Light (2010)
LG - Mankins (2009)
C - Koppen (2011)
RG - Neal (2009)
RT - Kaczur (2009)

OT - O’Cal (2009)
OG - Yates (2009)

FA
OG/C - Hochstein
OT - Wesley Britt (RFA)
OT - Mark Levoir

Practice Squad:
OT - Jacob Bender
OG/C - Dan Connolly
C - Ryan Wendell

LOCKS (5):
Mankins, Light, Koppen, Kaczur & Neal are locks.

SPOTS UP FOR GRABS (3):
Backup C/utility, Backup/future starting G, Backup T/competition for RT

CURRENT COMPETITION FOR OPEN SPOTS (8):
- Kazcur has played well since coming back from an injury that kept him out only 2 weeks. But his offseason issues and ensuing struggles early in the season are of concern. In two games filling in for Kaczur, Levoir played quite well.
- Yates has been inconsistent, but is signed for 09. Neal has had trouble staying healthy over the past few seasons, so a higher upside backup may be needed.
- Hochstein has been a valuable backup at C/G, but could be beaten out as the unit goes younger, perhaps by Connolly.
- O’Callaghan has looked good in limited time, but has had problems with injuries.
- Bender is mildly intriguing but will struggle to get a roster spot, especially if the team adds via the draft.
- Connolly has a decent chance of making the squad next year with Hochstein reaching free agency, unless the team opts for someone in the draft.
- Britt has proven to be good depth and looked good in preseason, but may not return given Levoir’s strong play, and the fact he is a FFA at the end of the season.
- Wendell does not have a good chance of making the 08 squad. He is PS eligible in 08.

PLAN OF ACTION VIA DRAFT/FREE AGENCY:
- If the opportunity presents itself, add a potential long term answer at starting OT through the day 1 of the draft or free agency. Need not be a polished OL, as the team has 1 year till Kaczur hits free agency, 2 until Light reaches the end of his contract. Otherwise draft a tackle in the mid rounds as depth at the position.
- Select an OG between rounds 1-4 as a potential long term replacement for Neal. The depth behind Neal is OK, but Yates does not appear to have the upside as a long term answer as a starting.
- Add at least one versatile utility OL to the current competition via the mid to late rounds of the draft.

Bottom Line: 3 players needed.

This unit could go either way in the draft. The team may feel they can fill the depth with players already in the organization. However, I'd personally love to see them add players via the draft, and use a Day 1 pick either on G or T.

BradyManny2344 · #2 11-15-2008, 11:27 AM

Please throw out prospects you feel would be a fit for the Pats. I know Ochmed has mentioned Unger [Oregon] & Urbik [Wisconsin] among others.

Taxed in Maine · #3 11-15-2008, 02:17 PM

I'm not so sure about an early pick on a OT. With Light, Kaczur and LeVoir we should be in decent shape. RG is actually more of a problem when Neal isn't in there. I think the opportunity to draft a replacement for Neal may actually be the way to go.

The guy I like the most is Jonathon Luigs, he plays C, but can also play G. At 6'4 315, is also very quick and athletic, and could also serve as our backup center.

Then of course the mid-round OT, developmental player is probably inevitable.

tanked_as_usual · #4 11-15-2008, 03:41 PM

given 3 of 4 are FA's after '09, don't be suprised to see 2 picks in the first 3 rounds to be OL's.......

neal has been injury prone and may be gone after this year anyway although they may extend him for short dollars as he could be good depth as he ages

I'd have no problems getting an athletic OT like jason smith with the first pick in round 2, and then herman johnson in round 3........gotta love a 6'7"/380lb guy who can run a 5.3/40..........this guys is a freaking monster

cstjohn17 · #5 11-15-2008, 08:20 PM

This is the quandary at every draft position. Do you draft for two years down the road and 'waste' a high draft pick on a player who will likely not play in their first year? Tough call.

With the age / pending free agents I expect two lineman to be drafted. A player with RT/G flexibility taken in rounds 3 or 4 and a developmental player in rounds 5-7.

All the starters return next year, it is a tough call. Who knows maybe they try to extend Kaczur for cheap money lessening the need or give Mankins a boatload of money..

Here is a good breakdown from NationalFootballPost:
The National Football Post | NFL Draft: Top Offensive Linemen

tanked_as_usual · #6 11-15-2008, 09:55 PM

why would you draft for 2 years down the road? I could see anyone drafted in the 2nd or 3rd rounds pushing kaczur and neal.........neal is injured half the time anyway

mankins, koppen, light, and kaczur were all major contributors in their rookie year.........

BradyManny2344 · #7 11-17-2008, 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tanked_as_usual

why would you draft for 2 years down the road? I could see anyone drafted in the 2nd or 3rd rounds pushing kaczur and neal.........neal is injured half the time anyway

mankins, koppen, light, and kaczur were all major contributors in their rookie year.........

A month ago I would've said I could see someone pushing Kaczur, but he seems to do a lot better with Neal on his side. We know he can play LT well, he did it in his rookie year. My only concern would be his off field issues, not the legal standpoint, but the addiction standpoint of it. I think that probably had an effect on his preseason and early season play and preparation.

Neal hasn't proven he can stay healthy, so I agree there that we should invest in a guard either way. The bummer is he's a Pro Bowl caliber guard when healthy, so you'd love to be able to just count on him being there 16 games, but not sure we can.

But as for tackle, I think we should simply invest in it since Light has two years left, Kaczur has one - sure, we'd hope to wrap up Kaczur long term. But we would have the luxury of drafting someone in round 1-3 that is considered high upside but a "project". Duane Brown comes to mind last year, but I think he's already doing well as it is. Maybe round 1 is too high at this stage. But even round 2 or 3 you can definitely justify drafting a guy that is a high upside backup for a couple years and than potentially a starter.

Ochmed Jones · #8 11-17-2008, 02:56 PM

First let me say that I think our two biggest needs in the offseason are, a pass rushing 3-4 demon off the edge and a playmaker in the secondary (UFA Asingwoh [spelling] of Oakland is perfect). After that however, I would like 3 new OL in this draft to replace Yates, Britt and O'Callghan.

1.) I like OT Jason Smith of Baylor in the second round.
2.) I like C/OT Unger of Oregon in the 4th or 5th round
3.) I like OG Urbik of Wisconsin in the 5th round

That leaves us plenty of picks to get a pass rushing demon (1st) [Since there are none in this draft, I will happily take NT Mount Cody of Alabama]; TE (2nd) and CB (3rd) and FS/SS (3rd)

***mgteich*** · #9 11-18-2008, 01:52 PM

First, I would note that we almost always carry nine offensive linemen, 5 starters, 2 backup interior linemen and 2 backup tackles. In the four backups, we need two Game Day backups, one interior (who must be a backup center) and one tackle.

I agree that the five starters are locks. I would also consider LeVoir a lock. He is an inexpensive ERFA and has been playing well when needed. In any case, he is an inexpensive prospect. Hochstein is the best utility backup lineman in a decade. I expect that Hochstein will be extended and would be a lock for me. This locks up my Game Day seven.

Obviously, we always look for a player who is a future stud all-pro starter. If anyone can figure out how to do that, they should be working for the team. Of course, we would sign one if we see him. As has been posted, Neal and Mankins are signed through 2009, so the need is at OG.

OPEN SPOTS (2)
O'Callaghan is still on the roster for 2009, although I would be more comfortable if we would just sign an injury settlement and send him on his way. His history of concussions is a serious problem. So, I have Britt (with a level 2 tender) and Yates as the incumbants. If they can be upgraded, fine. If not, we are ready for the 2009 season today at OL.

DRAFT NEED - BOTTOM LINE
I don't see a need. I expect the usual 5th and/or 6th round prospects.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BradyManny2344

Let's move to the offensive side of the ball. Since Neal has come back, and Kaczur has come back strong after a slow start to the season, the OL is shored up. But there are still long term and depth needs:

OFFENSIVE LINE (13), 7 signed, 6 unsigned

LT - Light (2010)
LG - Mankins (2009)
C - Koppen (2011)
RG - Neal (2009)
RT - Kaczur (2009)

OT - O’Cal (2009)
OG - Yates (2009)

FA
OG/C - Hochstein
OT - Wesley Britt (RFA)
OT - Mark Levoir

Practice Squad:
OT - Jacob Bender
OG/C - Dan Connolly
C - Ryan Wendell

LOCKS (5):
Mankins, Light, Koppen, Kaczur & Neal are locks.

SPOTS UP FOR GRABS (3):
Backup C/utility, Backup/future starting G, Backup T/competition for RT

CURRENT COMPETITION FOR OPEN SPOTS (8):
- Kazcur has played well since coming back from an injury that kept him out only 2 weeks. But his offseason issues and ensuing struggles early in the season are of concern. In two games filling in for Kaczur, Levoir played quite well.
- Yates has been inconsistent, but is signed for 09. Neal has had trouble staying healthy over the past few seasons, so a higher upside backup may be needed.
- Hochstein has been a valuable backup at C/G, but could be beaten out as the unit goes younger, perhaps by Connolly.
- O’Callaghan has looked good in limited time, but has had problems with injuries.
- Bender is mildly intriguing but will struggle to get a roster spot, especially if the team adds via the draft.
- Connolly has a decent chance of making the squad next year with Hochstein reaching free agency, unless the team opts for someone in the draft.
- Britt has proven to be good depth and looked good in preseason, but may not return given Levoir’s strong play, and the fact he is a FFA at the end of the season.
- Wendell does not have a good chance of making the 08 squad. He is PS eligible in 08.

PLAN OF ACTION VIA DRAFT/FREE AGENCY:
- If the opportunity presents itself, add a potential long term answer at starting OT through the day 1 of the draft or free agency. Need not be a polished OL, as the team has 1 year till Kaczur hits free agency, 2 until Light reaches the end of his contract. Otherwise draft a tackle in the mid rounds as depth at the position.
- Select an OG between rounds 1-4 as a potential long term replacement for Neal. The depth behind Neal is OK, but Yates does not appear to have the upside as a long term answer as a starting.
- Add at least one versatile utility OL to the current competition via the mid to late rounds of the draft.

Bottom Line: 3 players needed.

This unit could go either way in the draft. The team may feel they can fill the depth with players already in the organization. However, I'd personally love to see them add players via the draft, and use a Day 1 pick either on G or T.

***DaBruinz*** · #10 11-18-2008, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BradyManny2344

Let's move to the offensive side of the ball. Since Neal has come back, and Kaczur has come back strong after a slow start to the season, the OL is shored up. But there are still long term and depth needs:

OFFENSIVE LINE (13), 7 signed, 6 unsigned

LT - Light (2010)
LG - Mankins (2009)
C - Koppen (2011)
RG - Neal (2009)
RT - Kaczur (2009)

OT - O’Cal (2009)
OG - Yates (2009)

FA
OG/C - Hochstein
OT - Wesley Britt (RFA)
OT - Mark Levoir

Practice Squad:
OT - Jacob Bender
OG/C - Dan Connolly
C - Ryan Wendell

LOCKS (5):
Mankins, Light, Koppen, Kaczur & Neal are locks.

SPOTS UP FOR GRABS (3):
Backup C/utility, Backup/future starting G, Backup T/competition for RT

CURRENT COMPETITION FOR OPEN SPOTS (8):
- Kazcur has played well since coming back from an injury that kept him out only 2 weeks. But his offseason issues and ensuing struggles early in the season are of concern. In two games filling in for Kaczur, Levoir played quite well.
- Yates has been inconsistent, but is signed for 09. Neal has had trouble staying healthy over the past few seasons, so a higher upside backup may be needed.
- Hochstein has been a valuable backup at C/G, but could be beaten out as the unit goes younger, perhaps by Connolly.
- O’Callaghan has looked good in limited time, but has had problems with injuries.
- Bender is mildly intriguing but will struggle to get a roster spot, especially if the team adds via the draft.
- Connolly has a decent chance of making the squad next year with Hochstein reaching free agency, unless the team opts for someone in the draft.
- Britt has proven to be good depth and looked good in preseason, but may not return given Levoir’s strong play, and the fact he is a FFA at the end of the season.
- Wendell does not have a good chance of making the 08 squad. He is PS eligible in 08.

PLAN OF ACTION VIA DRAFT/FREE AGENCY:
- If the opportunity presents itself, add a potential long term answer at starting OT through the day 1 of the draft or free agency. Need not be a polished OL, as the team has 1 year till Kaczur hits free agency, 2 until Light reaches the end of his contract. Otherwise draft a tackle in the mid rounds as depth at the position.
- Select an OG between rounds 1-4 as a potential long term replacement for Neal. The depth behind Neal is OK, but Yates does not appear to have the upside as a long term answer as a starting.
- Add at least one versatile utility OL to the current competition via the mid to late rounds of the draft.

Bottom Line: 3 players needed.

This unit could go either way in the draft. The team may feel they can fill the depth with players already in the organization. However, I'd personally love to see them add players via the draft, and use a Day 1 pick either on G or T.

I don't see the Pats offering Britt a contract unless O'Callaghan just can't recover from his injury issues.. LaVoir has passed Britt on the depth chart for RT.

The Pats just lost Bender to the 49ers, as he was signed to their 53 man roster.

I am hoping that the 1st two picks of this draft are used on the Lines. The Pats need more talent there.

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