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... killing from a nice safe distance with the flick of a finger seems cowardly ... just sayin.
Any fat redneck can take a life that way. What would the knights of the round table think of us today?
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I believe your link is inaccurate in that it is my understanding that the minimum barrel length for a rifle is 16" with an overall length of 26", of course the minimum barrel length for a shotgun is 18" with a minimum overall length of 28".
I state this because I have a shotgun that I cut the barrel length down to 18 1/2" and before I did so I looked into extensively.
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Pardon my vanity, but perhaps the board would be interested in my shotgun project, and perhaps this may show some a glimpse into the "gun culture".
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My older sister had come to me asking advice about getting a weapon for home defense, and I had this 20 gauge that I didn't use mainly because I have a 12 gauge and since the Feds outlawed lead shot for hunting and such, and steel shot just doesn't cut it in a 20 gauge and because I had basically ruined its resale value due to cutting the stock, and the wife and I do not hunt or trap shoot any more.
I originally planed on gifting it to my sister, but it turned out so nice I decided to keep it, and I bought her a youth sized Remington 870 in 20 gauge.
The following are excerpts from a thread I created about this project at Nortwestfirearms.com a site mostly devoted to 2nd amendment issues I joined about 5 years back.
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2/8/12
I have this Springfield 67F 20 gauge with a 28" barrel gathering dust in my safe.
I cut down the stock on it about 2" eight years ago so my wife could shoot trap with it, and she did quite well with it after I cut on it. So I know it is a good shooter and reliable due to past experience. Still the 67F has a bad rep from what I could Google.
Google turned up some cool info when I was searching for a 18 1/2" barrel for it, one there is no 18 1/2" barrels available, and also that some or working there 67Fs to resemble a 77E which apparently is a Viet Nam era military shot gun.
Stole this image from some guy called street sweeper
So I am thinking I will turn my $100 shot gun in to a $225 gun.
Edit text. I go on to ask some forum members some advice
So I did it. The goal was to make my circa 1990 Springfield 67f 20 gauge look like a Viet Nam era military Stevens 77E, So I ordered a Viet Nam era butt stock complete with the red T style recoil pad from Sarco ($30 after including shipping), an era correct cotton sling ($7), and some swivels ($12), I still need a bead sight.
I stripped the fore grip and had trouble getting the stain to match the stock, I was ready to try soaking it in dirty motor oil till I spied my black shoe polish, that did the trick.
I decided to cut the barrel to 18 1/2" even though the correct length would be 20" for a Viet Nam era shotty, which I am fine with because it is a 20 gauge and isn't a Viet Nam shot gun, just a wanna be.
First ever gun project results. Must say I am happy with it.
I will add that with the run on guns and the demand for anything that looks military or is useful
for self defense I now place a current value on this gun of $350.
The link is to the ATF website so I doubt that it's incorrect. Remember that there have been revisions to the 1934 law as well as Supreme Court decisions that have affected it as well.
The point of my post wasn't about "size" (isn't it always that way with guys) it was about automatic weapons and their availability. I know that information is accurate.
The link is to the ATF website so I doubt that it's incorrect. Remember that there have been revisions to the 1934 law as well as Supreme Court decisions that have affected it as well.
The point of my post wasn't about "size" (isn't it always that way with guys) it was about automatic weapons and their availability. I know that information is accurate.
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LOL,
I don't mean to pick a way at things, but the devil is in the details, I can't find any thing on the ATF other then what you posted that says the minimum length for a rifle barrel is 18".
Lots of stuff about a short barrel rifles being under 16". I suppose it doesn't matter, but I still think I am correct. Was 18" in 1934 changed to 16" in 1960 to allow import of different rifles. Geez, now I have to find a cite.
Q: What is the registered part of a Short Barreled Rifle (SBR) or Short Barreled Shotgun (SBS)?
While a receiver alone may be classified as a “firearm” under the Gun Control Act (GCA), SBRs and SBSs are classified in totality under the National Firearms Act (NFA). A firearm that meets the definition of a SBR consists of a rifle that has a barrel less than 16 inches in length. A SBS consists of a shotgun that has a barrel less than 18 inches in length. The serialized receiver is recorded for registration in the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record (NFRTR).
In the 1934 act, "machineguns" are in fact specifically and separately identified, not just referred to as "one of the kinds of weapons of a certain size," and are banned unless you have a special permit from Treasury.
It has been unlawful since 1934 (The National Firearms Act) for civilians to own machine guns without special permission from the U.S. Treasury Department.
I found the text below online, but while labeled the NFA34, appears to be the patched up version of the act from the 80s (I believe the NFA of 34 ran into legal challenges, and had to be replaced by subsequent laws based on it, and that the original effective ban on privately held machine guns, except by special permit by Treasury, stayed in effect in all of them).
(a) General. As provided by 26 U.S.C. 5812 and 26 U.S.C. 5822, an application to make or transfer a firearm shall be denied if the making, transfer, receipt, or possession of the firearm would place the maker or transferee in violation of law. Section 922(o), Title 18, U.S.C., makes it unlawful for any person to transfer or possess a machine gun, except a transfer to or by, or possession by or under the authority of, the United States or any department or agency thereof or a State, or a department, agency, or political subdivision thereof; or any lawful transfer or lawful possession of a machinegun that was lawfully possessed before May 19, 1986. Therefore, notwithstanding any other provision of this part, no application to make, transfer, or import a machinegun will be approved except as provided by this section.
Etc... i.e., the section is specific to and restrictive of machine guns.
Also from the ATF in FAQs on the NFA of 1934:
Quote:
While the NFA was enacted by Congress as an exercise of its authority to tax, the NFA had an underlying purpose unrelated to revenue collection. As the legislative history of the law discloses, its underlying purpose was to curtail, if not prohibit, transactions in NFA firearms. Congress found these firearms to pose a significant crime problem because of their frequent use in crime, particularly the gangland crimes of that era such as the St. Valentine’s Day Massacre. The $200 making and transfer taxes on most NFA firearms were considered quite severe and adequate to carry out Congress’ purpose to discourage or eliminate transactions in these firearms. The $200 tax has not changed since 1934.
Evidently you've read that as meaning that all the NFA did was impose the $200 tax. In the law as I could find it online, that is not the case.
By the way, if a case-by-case permit by Treasury is not a ban, I don't think there's much of an argument. We can just extend the machine-gun non-ban to semi-autos or, for that matter, handguns in general, and you'd have no objection. Do I read you right, comrade?
Any fat redneck can take a life that way. What would the knights of the round table think of us today?
Or any apartment-dwelling, inner-city gang-banger for that matter. I wonder which group actually kills more people compared to their share of population?
BTW...the term redneck shouldn't be used from what I've been told.
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