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Drewski · 01-09-2013, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JackBauer

As I said, no punative law can be written (well, it can be written as statute, but not as a matter of reasonable expectation) to entirely cease the action or activity it is designed to prevent. Cigarette regulations won't prevent people from getting cancer, food safety regulations won't stop people from getting sick, airline maintenance procedures won't stop airline disasters.

Then why go for laws (no saying you are arguing for) which ban something? Banning it doesn't stop it, it just makes someone shooting a bunch of people with an assault rifle....more illegal....

As I said before, I don't understand my buddies who personally have AR-15s. Neither of them hunt (and you cant really hunt with an assault rifle). Must just be a "cool" factor that I missed out on.

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Originally Posted by JackBauer

I see no logical reason why it should be more onerous, both in legal and practical terms, to own a car in this country than it is to own a gun. I also don't see some of the steps being considered (such as I outlined previously) as being particularly onerous or burdensome on those who would choose to own a firearm in this country.

Is it? I buy cars rather frequently (have owned 6 cars, have had my license since I was 19, so 6 cars in two weeks shy of 11 years), and never felt it was onerous, other than dealing with the DMV.

I have never attempted to buy a gun, but, at least here in MA, it seems rather onerous.

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Originally Posted by JackBauer

To be clear, I don't believe we can regulate our way out of this problem. I think any solution, should one ever come to bear, will be roughly one part gun control, one part mental health reform, and one part cultural change. We also know there's a strong correlation between gun violence and high levels of poverty and lack of education, so investments in those areas can be expected to improve the overall situation as well.

I agree, but would change your recipe.

Should be 2 parts cultural change, 1.5 parts parents/community getting their heads out of their asses. Half part gun control - I would make it mandatory to have a mental health evaluation to be considered ok to own a gun....after all, guns don't kill people....crazy people kill people.

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I think the biggest problem in this whole debate is that the NRA has become a wholly owned subsidiary of gun manufacturers, and refuses to entertain even the most commonsense reforms that could be implemented. No surprise, then, that politicians who would desire to see some of said reforms are forced to resort to thinly veiled threats to action.

As long as votes are bought, the NRA will be what they are...outta touch and in the position to kill the discussion.

alvinnf · 01-09-2013, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Nunchucks

I hope Obama does take away all the guns, then we can finally cull the stupid people out of our citizenry.

What's that famous saying?

"Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt"?

***Patters*** · 01-09-2013, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by KDPPatsfan85

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Will this be the spark to the second American Revolution? This administration is taking a dump on our constitution.

LOL. Just imagine that instead of white guys with guns, it's dark skinned Muslims, and then maybe righties will feel a little better about it. I very much doubt the president is going to take guns away from law-abiding citizens, but what I hope he does is make sure that more is done to prevent troubled individuals from getting their hands on weapons and to prevent those who advocate violence or revolution as opposed to the democratic process have difficulty getting weapons.

Nunchucks · 01-09-2013, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by alvinnf

What's that famous saying?

"Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt"?

Yes, because:

1) Obama will never try to take away our guns
2) People who say they would die before giving up their guns are brilliant.

Drewski · 01-09-2013, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Nunchucks

I hope Obama does take away all the guns, then we can finally cull the stupid people out of our citizenry.

Thats a pretty broad brush Nunchucks.

JackBauer · 01-09-2013, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Drewski

Is it? I buy cars rather frequently (have owned 6 cars, have had my license since I was 19, so 6 cars in two weeks shy of 11 years), and never felt it was onerous, other than dealing with the DMV.

I have never attempted to buy a gun, but, at least here in MA, it seems rather onerous.

Well, sure. You need to get a license to drive a car. You need to go to driver's ed, and then pass a driving test (written and actual) to get said license. You then need to re-register every few years and maintain a license in whatever state you're domiciled in.

Drewski · 01-09-2013, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Patters

LOL. Just imagine that instead of white guys with guns, it's dark skinned Muslims, and then maybe righties will feel a little better about it. I very much doubt the president is going to take guns away from law-abiding citizens, but what I hope he does is make sure that more is done to prevent troubled individuals from getting their hands on weapons and to prevent those who advocate violence or revolution as opposed to the democratic process have difficulty getting weapons.

I agree 1000000% with the bolded above Patters.

A gun, in and of itself, has zero ability to kill anyone. Add a crazy to it, and boom, disaster.

I mean look at all of these shootings, whether here or in other countries, (Scotland in the past, Norway a year or so back)....nutjobs.

It isn't "normal" people running around killing other productive members of society...it is whackjobs.

Drewski · 01-09-2013, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JackBauer

Well, sure. You need to get a license to drive a car. You need to go to driver's ed, and then pass a driving test (written and actual) to get said license. You then need to re-register every few years and maintain a license in whatever state you're domiciled in.

Don't you "need" a license for a gun too?

And where is it a law you have to take driver's ed? Above a certain age you don't. In fact, I didn't have to here in MA (I was 19 when I got my license). The only reason I took it is it saved me 20% on my insurance.

You can't buy a gun under 18 right?

Ill grant you the test part. Maybe something like a "gun owners" retraining every couple of years would help????

EDIT: Just checked. Under the Brady Handgun Violence prevention act - its 18 for long guns and 21 for handguns everywhere except VT. So the "driver's ed" part of your post is moot, since above a certain age (varies by state) it is not required.

Hamar · 01-09-2013, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JackBauer

If the state can order you to register your car, why can't it order you to register your gun?

You also have to have ID to drive a car, a license with your picture on it, why not have to have ID to vote? I do believe guns should require a background check no matter where you buy them and why not register them? But comparing registering something that is a right is the same as requiring ID for something that is a right.

Hamar · 01-09-2013, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by JackBauer

Well, sure. You need to get a license to drive a car. You need to go to driver's ed, and then pass a driving test (written and actual) to get said license. You then need to re-register every few years and maintain a license in whatever state you're domiciled in.

Actually you do not need any of that to drive a car unless you drive on public properties. I am pretty sure you have to have a license to carry a gun in public.