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1228 · 01-07-2013, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by RI Patriots fan

Yes, I read the report already...thanks. I think the article clearly points out the difference between the 2.5 million figure and the 1.5 million figure. Either way, there is significant evidence to demonstrate that guns stop crime.

"Applying those restrictions leaves 19
NSPOF respondents (0.8 percent of
the sample), representing 1.5 million
defensive users. This estimate is directly
comparable to the well-known
estimate of Kleck and Gertz, shown in
the last column of exhibit 7. While the
NSPOF estimate is smaller, it is statistically
plausible that the difference is
due to sampling error."

https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/165476.pdf

Not really.

Mrs.PatsFanInVa · 01-07-2013, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 1228

Not really.

Excellent rebuttal -- well worth the read.

Thank you!

alvinnf · 01-07-2013, 01:39 PM

Is it safe to say that, "it is better to have it and not need it", than "need it and not have it".

After that it comes down to choice and personal responsibility.

RI Patriots fan · 01-07-2013, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 1228

Not really.

David Hemenway?????.....talk about having an agenda.....lol.
What next....a fair and balanced review from Caroline Brewer

The funny thing is that even David Hemenway admits that guns were used 200,000 times in self defense.

I'd even go with the Clinton era justice department study over a guy who is blantantly and unapologetically baised against guns.

wistahpatsfan · 01-07-2013, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by PatsFanInVa

Checked out the study quoted in your "fact"-sheet, RI.

Here it is, for all those with an attention span longer than a gnat's:

https://www.ncjrs.gov/txtfiles/165476.txt

Under "Key Findings," in case you don't want to do the hard work...

From the body of the report...

Figuring this is a U.S. government doc and therefore in the public domain. Suffice it to say, the researcher in question does a fair job explaining why the insane estimates of defensive gun uses get so inflated, from the one woman claiming 52 defensive gun uses per year (I suppose she goes shopping weekly,) to the greater prevalence of defensive gun uses than attempted crimes in some categories.

I'm not certain exactly why so little crime has happened to me. I have lived in some of the more dangerous zip codes in the country in my time. I've also intervened in a violent crime unarmed, and I've had a home broken into... in fact, at one point I was held at gunpoint in a store robbery where I worked. In none of these instances do I think my chances would have been better with a gun than without one. Of course, that's subject to attribution error; of course I think that, because I lived. But the same is true of anybody who did have a gun and survived such a situation.

I'm sure some people use guns defensively, but these self-report studies from 1994 repeated ad infinitum don't really give us much to go on in quantitative terms -- as the author of one of your quoted studies plainly states.

It is an interesting overview of gun stats from 20 years ago, and while the numbers may well have changed, I am sure some of the dynamics have remained relatively consistent... such as the half-million guns that get stolen each year, just for example.

PFnV

That funny. I went right to your link and read it. I was about to cut and paste a paragraph and it ended up being the same one you chose. I liked the following section, though:

Respondents might falsely provide a positive
response to the DGU question for any of a number of
reasons:

o They may want to impress the interviewer by their
heroism and hence exaggerate a trivial event.

o They may be genuinely confused due to substance
abuse, mental illness, or simply less-than-accurate
memories.

o They may actually have used a gun defensively
within the last couple of years but falsely report
it as occurring in the previous year--a phenomenon
known as "telescoping."

I have some guns and know this to be true from my anectdotal evidence of listening to over-compensating drunks at the gun club.

RI Patriots fan · 01-07-2013, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 1960Pats

A shotgun would have been more effective.

Too big for the cubby hole....Glock 23 would have done the job.

UK_Pat37 · 01-07-2013, 04:59 PM

How sad.

I love living in a country where I don't have to use a gun to protect myself...my fists occasionally but hey, they aren't guns.

Your society s unbelievably flawed. I thought ours was bad...bloody hell! You know your country has hit the bottom when it's citizens campaign to keep guns in order to protect themselves from other people with guns.

RI Patriots fan · 01-07-2013, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by UK_Pat37

How sad.

I love living in a country where I don't have to use a gun to protect myself...my fists occasionally but hey, they aren't guns.

Your society s unbelievably flawed. I thought ours was bad...bloody hell! You know your country has hit the bottom when it's citizens campaign to keep guns in order to protect themselves from other people with guns.

Your country is nothing but a shell of its former self. A nothing on the world stage. All has been and wanna be.

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PatsFanInEaglesLand · 01-07-2013, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by UK_Pat37

How sad.

I love living in a country where I don't have to use a gun to protect myself...my fists occasionally but hey, they aren't guns.

Your society s unbelievably flawed. I thought ours was bad...bloody hell! You know your country has hit the bottom when it's citizens campaign to keep guns in order to protect themselves from other people with guns.

I love living in a country that loves football and keeps soccer in its rightful place.

We could do this all day.

Mind your own ******* business, please.

wistahpatsfan · 01-07-2013, 07:00 PM

Hey, UK Pat37!

But out, ya big English know-it-all! Didn't you read the forum rules that say "No un-American foreign dorks who use big words and sound faggy".

Have a Brawndo! It's got electrolytes!

And your puny country is shaped really wierd!