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It sounds it because it is Rush and you're not helping either ... are you?
Instead of discussing the topic you are discussing the discussers .... FAIL
I can't stand the man, but he's right. The first thing I saw on the new tonight, was the gun rights and controls issue being raised. MSNBC was going there this afternoon. It's unavoidable when things like this happen. In part because of the tragedy itself, and the emotions it brings, but also because "you should never let a crisis go to waste" (or however it was put).
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Originally Posted by Deus Irae
How do you not see the irony here, given that you started this thread? I came over to see if there was a thread like this going, and of course there is.
Bingo. There was a need to start a thread on it in here, but a pundit warning about what's coming is a "blowhard" for bringing it up.
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I'm in favor of people in America owning weapons. It's already illegal to own an automatic weapon.
A semi-automatic means you have to squeeze the trigger every time you shoot. I would support a banning on clips over 10 shots. I don't theink that there is an need for 20 or 30 rounds clips.
I doubt if banning anything will keep guns out of the hands of criminals. Maybe keeping the clips down to 10, may help some cases.
guys remember the shooter is a 20 year old boy, who by law can't operate or own a weapon, he stole it from his mother, ILLEGALLY. This is a case where legal citizens has no guns to protect themselves from criminals that has guns. Also I agree with the problem here is not about guns, it's about our society, bans all guns we will still have guys knifing every kids like the China man did, and I think we will still be in shock if that happened, regardless how many kids died or wounded. We really need to look into ourselves and fix this society. I personally do put a lot blame on the pop media, the 90's kids grow up watching Jersey shores and Kim K stories, playing call of duties everyday sure will grow whatever we think they are, right?
Discussing an issue is what people do to make sense of tragedy and possibly find solutions.
Pointing fingers and inflaming a topic with rhetoric solves nothing.
I opened the thread to keep the discussion out of the victims thread ... and it has.
Quit pretending you're discussing anything of substance. You're blaming guns, which is nothing more than blaming the tool instead of the perpetrator. That's probably the least substantive discussion that can be had with regards to human violence and murder.
And what Limbaugh said is true, and was being validated even while he was still on the air. You chose to ignore that and to instead go for the personal attack on him.
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Quit pretending you're discussing anything of substance. You're blaming guns, which is nothing more than blaming the tool instead of the perpetrator. That's probably the least substantive discussion that can be had with regards to human violence and murder.
And what Limbaugh said is true. You choose to ignore that, I see.
You need to read the thread Deus ... and try again.
I am a gun owner and I have a permit to carry ... so your wrong ... try reading again.
I also state in the thread people kill people ... not guns.
I support the right to carry guns ... fail on your part.
As for Limbaugh discuss the issue instead of attacking the messenger ...
I stand by that for him and anyone who chooses attacking the messenger over discussing the issue.
Ask most Americans why they have a gun and their response will generally be "to protect myself".... which is fair enough. If guns were illegal, then there would be less of a need to have a gun to protect yourself.
Thats false.
The only person who wouldnt have a firearm is the one who respects the law and doesnt want to spend part of their life sitting behind bars. Criminals dont care how many new gun laws are created. They dont fear the police, prison or death and will always find a way to possess a gun. Look at Chicago, Illinois has some of the toughest gun laws in the country and every weekend dozens are shot in Chicago.
Before you say "All guns would gone." No, they wouldnt. Look at the amount of cocaine and marijuana that makes it way into this country every year despite the millions of dollars being spent to curtail the flow across our borders. Guns would be smuggled into this country the same way.
You need to read the thread Deus ... and try again.
I am a gun owner and I have a permit to carry ... so your wrong ... try reading again.
I also state in the thread people kill people ... not guns.
I support the right to carry guns ... fail on your part.
As for Limbaugh discuss the issue instead of attacking the messenger ...
I stand by that for him and anyone who chooses attacking the messenger over discussing the issue.
I read the thread, twice, before posting. What I posted was entirely appropriate in response to your posts. When you talk about things like having scanners for guns, you are blaming the gun instead of the perpetrator. People don't need guns to kill other people. On the other hand, U.S. military bases are stocked to the rafters with guns, yet we aren't having daily "mass murder" incidents there.
And your response about Limbaugh here is a silly one which does nothing more than say "I can call Limbaugh names because he's a poopyhead who takes the exact same approach that I do.".
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- Marcus Aurelius
Ask most Americans why they have a gun and their response will generally be "to protect myself".... which is fair enough. If guns were illegal, then there would be less of a need to have a gun to protect yourself. Obviously it's not as simple as that, because folk who wanted guns could still get them one way or another, but people would be a lot safer in general. There is even shootings like this in Britain on occasion, where the gun control is much stricter than America.
Banning all types of guns isn't going to stop shootings like this straight away (nothing is), but it would be a start.
Look at the guy in China today, he injured 22 kids with a knife. Probably similar to what happened here. He snapped for whatever reason and decided to start attacking people. If he had a gun, then there would have been multiple deaths and probably a lot more injuries. In the Connecticut case, if the guy only had a knife he probably wouldn't have killed anyone, certainly not 27 people.
These shootings happen way too often. Obviously there is no way you will stop them completely - look at Britain; Derrick Bird, Thomas Hamilton etc. Difference between America and Britain is, these tragedies happen once or twice a year in America... in Britain and other countries with much stricter gun control, they happen once or twice a decade.
We are both european citizens
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I read the thread, twice, before posting. What I posted was entirely appropriate in response to your posts. And your response here is a silly one which does nothing more than say "I can call Limbaugh names because he's a poopyhead who takes the exact same approach that I do.".
Typical of you ... whatever.
I stand by what i said of him and anyone who points fingers.
People have a right to their opinions ... discuss the topic not the discussers it solves nothing and it creates a dividing wall to proper discussion of any topic. many times several opinions can be correct which is why finger pointing is pointless.
Rush has many listeners ... why not bring up an adult discussion of the topic instead of inflaming his audience to boost ratings. I'm no liberal and i'm right of center ... he sickens me with his rhetoric for monetary gains.
he'll boost his ratings thanks to this tragedy ... and he won't care if he did he wouldn't do it.
ESPN has informed all their anchors to treat the tragedy with proper respect ... Rush could wait also.
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