Omission or Addition? A Tale of Two News Sources - New England Patriots Forums - PatsFans.com Patriots Fan Messageboard
NEWS
|
FORUM
|
PHOTOS
|
VIDEOS
|
FULL STATS DATABASE
|
PODCAST
|
RUMOR MILL
Get Social With PatsFans.com
Early Roster Projection
Ryan's Journey Started Early
POST DRAFT PODCAST

Go Back   New England Patriots Forums - PatsFans.com Patriots Fan Messageboard > Off Topic Forums > Political Discussion
Forgot Password? Join PatsFans.com!
Register Blogs FAQ Members List Calendar Arcade Mark Forums Read Chat Room

WELCOME TO OUR FORUM HERE AT PATSFANS.COM!
ARE YOU NEW HERE? NOT LOGGED IN? PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT TO REGISTER FOR AN ACCOUNT AND LOGIN TO REMOVE THIS WINDOW

Welcome to PatsFans.com. Do you have an account? If not - please take a moment to register for our forum and experience a much smoother experience with fewer ads, along with no longer having to see this notification window. Also learn about how you can receive a free Patriots T-Shirt from the Patriots Official ProShop by CLICKING HERE. Please enjoy your stay here, and Go Pats!

Like Tree3Likes

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12-13-2012, 05:36 AM   #1
All Pro Poster
 
Mrs.PatsFanInVa's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 12,207
My Mood: Amazed
Default Omission or Addition? A Tale of Two News Sources

Strange how the same AP story can be the same but different.

Both of these stories hit the wire at the same time - both claim to be from The Associated Press. They're virtually word for word identical except for one glaring difference.

Someone's either leaving out an important piece of news or someone's adding their own information....either way it's spin at it's worst and a good reason for people to use more than one source if they're looking for the truth.


Quote:
FOX NATION

AP Exclusive: Gov’t arrests illegal immigrant, registered sex offender working for US senator

By Associated Press


WASHINGTON — U.S. Sen. Robert Menendez employed as an unpaid intern in his Senate office an illegal immigrant who was a registered sex offender, now under arrest by immigration authorities, The Associated Press has learned. The Homeland Security Department instructed federal agents not to arrest him until after Election Day, a U.S. official involved in the case told the AP.

Luis Abrahan Sanchez Zavaleta, an 18-year-old immigrant from Peru, was arrested by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents in front of his home in New Jersey on Dec. 6, two federal officials said. Sanchez, who entered the country on a now-expired visitor visa from Peru, is facing deportation and remains in custody. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss details of Sanchez’s immigration case.

A spokesman for Immigration and Customs Enforcement did not immediately respond to a request for further details.
Gov't Arrests Illegal Immigrant, Registered Sex Offender Working for US Senator, But Covered It Up Before Election - Robert Menendez - Fox Nation


Quote:
WASHINGTON POST

AP Exclusive: Gov’t arrests illegal immigrant, registered sex offender working for US senator

By Associated Press,
Dec 12, 2012 10:02 PM EST


AP
WASHINGTON — Sen. Robert Menendez employed as an unpaid intern in his Senate office an illegal immigrant who was a registered sex offender, now under arrest by immigration authorities, The Associated Press has learned. The Homeland Security Department instructed federal agents not to arrest him until after Election Day, a U.S. official involved in the case told the AP.

A Homeland Security spokesman, Peter Boogaard, said Wednesday that it was “categorically false” that the department delayed the arrest of Luis Abrahan Sanchez Zavaleta, 18, until after the election.

Sanchez, an immigrant from Peru, was arrested by Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents in front of his home in New Jersey on Dec. 6, two federal officials said. Sanchez, who entered the country on a now-expired visitor visa from Peru, is facing deportation and remains in custody. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss details of Sanchez’s immigration case.
AP Exclusive: Gov’t arrests illegal immigrant, registered sex offender working for US senator - The Washington Post
Mrs.PatsFanInVa is online now   Reply With Quote
DONATE TO PATSFANS.COM
RECEIVE A FREE PATS T-SHIRT AND SAVE 15% OFF WHEN YOU BUY FROM THE OFFICIAL PROSHOP!

Free T-Shirt & Save 15% Off!
Like Our Site? Please help support our site and server costs by DONATING TO PATSFANS.COM and receive a FREE PATRIOTS T-SHIRT and SAVE 15% off EVERY purchase you make from PatriotsProShop.com. You'll also receive added benefits to your account
including Removing All Ads During Your Experience Here At Our Forum.

NEEDED YEARLY SITE DONATIONS: 345 | CURRENT # OF SUBSCRIBED SUPPORTERS: 98

Updated 07/08/11

Help Us Reach Our Goal!

Old 12-13-2012, 05:43 AM   #2
Hall of Fame Poster
 
PatriotsReign's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 22,635
Default Re: Omission or Addition? A Tale of Two News Sources

I don't really care much about how the story was reported....but I do care that a US politician employed an illegal alien. He should be forced to step down just for employing an illegal alien.

Illegal aliens have no right to do anything in US politics because they're illegal aliens. He should be impeached immediately.

Moving forward, let's make sure no illegal aliens are working for any of our polticians. And that includes cutting their lawns or whatever.

PR
PatriotsReign is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-13-2012, 05:49 AM   #3
All Pro Poster
 
Mrs.PatsFanInVa's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 12,207
My Mood: Amazed
Default Re: Omission or Addition? A Tale of Two News Sources

Quote:
Originally Posted by PatriotsReign View Post
I don't really care much about how the story was reported....but I do care that a US politician employed an illegal alien. He should be forced to step down just for employing an illegal alien.

Illegal aliens have no right to do anything in US politics because they're illegal aliens. He should be impeached immediately.

Moving forward, let's make sure no illegal aliens are working for any of our polticians. And that includes cutting their lawns or whatever.

PR
In that case you can go ahead and start a thread about impeaching politicians who employ illegal aliens....this is a thread about the media and the biased ways that they report the news.

How can you make any kind of rational or valid judgement about what should or should not happen in regards to any news story if the news story itself is suspect?
Mrs.PatsFanInVa is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-13-2012, 06:36 AM   #4
PatsFans.com Supporter
 
DarrylS's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: In a very special place
Posts: 36,166
My Mood: Psychedelic
Default Re: Omission or Addition? A Tale of Two News Sources

Impeachment is a word often used, but seldom understood.. it is not a very easy process, time consuming and very expensive..

Due process is a bytch.. there is a lot to prove here, as innuendo trumps any semblance of fact gathering..
__________________
"Being the best doesn't mean you always win. It just means you win more than anyone else".. tweet from Kurt Warner to Tom Brady.
DarrylS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-13-2012, 08:42 AM   #5
Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal
 
IllegalContact's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 7,621
My Mood: Amused
Default Re: Omission or Addition? A Tale of Two News Sources

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs.PatsFanInVa View Post
In that case you can go ahead and start a thread about impeaching politicians who employ illegal aliens....this is a thread about the media and the biased ways that they report the news.

How can you make any kind of rational or valid judgement about what should or should not happen in regards to any news story if the news story itself is suspect?
or maybe he would just post it here like he did......

every story is suspect......you just pick and choose based on your political beliefs and make your own uneducated decision which is accurate or not.......business as usual
patsfan13 likes this.
__________________
“ I think good coaches will coach with the personnel they have, and if you only have one (good) linebacker, you’re not going to play a 3–4. ”
—Hank Bullough, who installed one of the first 3–4 defenses with the New England Patriots.
IllegalContact is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-13-2012, 09:13 AM   #6
All Pro Poster
 
Mrs.PatsFanInVa's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 12,207
My Mood: Amazed
Default Re: Omission or Addition? A Tale of Two News Sources

Quote:
Originally Posted by IllegalContact View Post
every story is suspect......you just pick and choose based on your political beliefs and make your own uneducated decision which is accurate or not.......business as usual
Even when people point it out to you?

I checked further on this particular story......the Fox report actually says, at the bottom of it's story, "for full story, see Washington Post," and links to the the one I posted here...which means they had available to them the fact that Homeland Security denied that the arrest was held up until after the election - which pretty much admits they chose to leave that information off - not that the statement from Homeland Security wasn't available to them.
Mrs.PatsFanInVa is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-13-2012, 09:40 AM   #7
Hall of Fame Poster
 
Real World's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Boston
Posts: 25,140
My Mood: Yeehaw
Default Re: Omission or Addition? A Tale of Two News Sources

I don't think anyone can change an AP story, other than the AP. It's their trademarked, or copyrighted story, is it not? My guess would be that they are the same story, just different releases. One may be the early version, the other edited later with new, or revised information. Other than that you'd have to ask the AP. Stories do get edited from their initial release.
patsfan13 likes this.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


"The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him."
Leo Tolstoy, 1897
Real World is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-13-2012, 09:50 AM   #8
All Pro Poster
 
JackBauer's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: NoVA
Posts: 12,892
Default Re: Omission or Addition? A Tale of Two News Sources

Quote:
Originally Posted by PatriotsReign View Post
I don't really care much about how the story was reported....but I do care that a US politician employed an illegal alien. He should be forced to step down just for employing an illegal alien.

Illegal aliens have no right to do anything in US politics because they're illegal aliens. He should be impeached immediately.

Moving forward, let's make sure no illegal aliens are working for any of our polticians. And that includes cutting their lawns or whatever.

PR
So, under this logic, Mitt Romney should have never been allowed to run for president?
JackBauer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-13-2012, 10:14 AM   #9
Hall of Fame Poster
 
Real World's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Boston
Posts: 25,140
My Mood: Yeehaw
Default Re: Omission or Addition? A Tale of Two News Sources

Quote:
Originally Posted by JackBauer View Post
So, under this logic, Mitt Romney should have never been allowed to run for president?
Under that logic the answer would be yes. I think that's impractical. If you hire a contractor to do a job, how are you supposed to know if his laborers are legal or not? It's not like you're going to run a check on the employees at a restaurant you order food from, or a hall you plan a party at. That's not the job of the patron/customer, nor is it at all practical. What is reasonable is an employer, or owner of a business, checking to ensure that the people it/they hire, are indeed legal. That they provide the necessary documentation that states so.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.


"The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him."
Leo Tolstoy, 1897
Real World is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-13-2012, 10:26 AM   #10
All Pro Poster
 
JackBauer's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: NoVA
Posts: 12,892
Default Re: Omission or Addition? A Tale of Two News Sources

Quote:
Originally Posted by Real World View Post
Under that logic the answer would be yes. I think that's impractical. If you hire a contractor to do a job, how are you supposed to know if his laborers are legal or not? It's not like you're going to run a check on the employees at a restaurant you order food from, or a hall you plan a party at. That's not the job of the patron/customer, nor is it at all practical. What is reasonable is an employer, or owner of a business, checking to ensure that the people it/they hire, are indeed legal. That they provide the necessary documentation that states so.
I don't disagree, but I'm only operating under PR's logic.

That said, I think it's a little ridiculous to ask a sitting Senator to step down because one of their interns wasn't here legally. I'm pretty sure Senators aren't intimately involved in HR.
JackBauer is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Tale of the Tape Hoodie PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum 5 01-22-2008 12:57 PM
A Tale of 2 QBs Flying Elvis PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum 5 02-12-2005 12:18 PM
A Tale of Two Ted\'s. IcyPatriot PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum 5 11-29-2004 10:57 AM



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:12 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2

© Copyright 2000-2012. PatsFans.com Is a Partner of USA TODAY Sports Digital Properties.
The opinions posted in this forum do not necessarily reflect the opinions of our staff at PatsFans.com or USA Today.
We are not affiliated with the New England Patriots™ or the NFL™. The Photo Used In the header was taken by Ian Logue.

This site is owned and operated by I&K Internet Design Enterprises, LLC