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Old 12-07-2012, 11:34 AM   #41
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Has anyone claimed to the contrary?
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Actually, I'd think most Americans are find with a combination of tax increases and spending cuts.
Cool story. What cuts are the Dems in favor of? How much?

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Old 12-07-2012, 11:38 AM   #42
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Cool story. What cuts are the Dems in favor of? How much?
I hear crickets.....
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Cool story. What cuts are the Dems in favor of? How much?
dems are in favor of cutting ......... spending cuts
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Cool story. What cuts are the Dems in favor of? How much?
What cuts are the Pubs in favor of? How much?
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What cuts are the Pubs in favor of? How much?
don't answer a question with a question.....how about it?
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You're smarter than this. The $1.7 trillion is not the income of the Forbes 400. It's their net worth.
Although those 400 people probably have a pretty big chunk of the total pie, they also represent a pretty high cut-off in terms of both income and net worth.

It's a pretty pointless argument. Nobody's trying to "confiscate" either their net worth or their entire incomes. And nobody in his right mind thinks the goal is to get a budget that zeroes out right now with our present aberrantly low revenue collection (15.5% of GDP.)

You've got to do cuts and revenue if your concern is debt and deficits. And you start on revenue at the top. We just voted on this.

At least that's made Grover Norquist increasingly irrelevant as all Republicans acknowledge that they will have to raise more revenues. Now they're trying to mollify him by saying "but but but it wasn't a raise in rates..."

Ask yourself what's magical about rates versus other revenue-raising. The answer is it allows Grover to say the pubbies are still okay and they did tax reform with a gun to their heads.

Same reason the Administration says "Nah you know, we're going to do rates. Just like we voted for."

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what revenue at the top? the top personal incomes? or the top generation of revenue, because THATS not going to be done by taxing the rich

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Although those 400 people probably have a pretty big chunk of the total pie, they also represent a pretty high cut-off in terms of both income and net worth.

It's a pretty pointless argument. Nobody's trying to "confiscate" either their net worth or their entire incomes. And nobody in his right mind thinks the goal is to get a budget that zeroes out right now with our present aberrantly low revenue collection (15.5% of GDP.)

You've got to do cuts and revenue if your concern is debt and deficits. And you start on revenue at the top. We just voted on this.

At least that's made Grover Norquist increasingly irrelevant as all Republicans acknowledge that they will have to raise more revenues. Now they're trying to mollify him by saying "but but but it wasn't a raise in rates..."

Ask yourself what's magical about rates versus other revenue-raising. The answer is it allows Grover to say the pubbies are still okay and they did tax reform with a gun to their heads.

Same reason the Administration says "Nah you know, we're going to do rates. Just like we voted for."

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Umm, your team.
Umm, please provide a link to support your claim. Thanks!

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Cool story. What cuts are the Dems in favor of? How much?
You can get a fairly good idea of this by looking at both the failed Grand Bargain of 2011 and the initial offer tendered by Obama just last week.
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What cuts are the Pubs in favor of? How much?
A democrat cut is usually a slightly reduced amount of new spending that has not yet happened.

$100 million does not get cut from $1 Billion for a new total of $900 million.

Usually it's instead of spending $1.2 billion we'll notch it down to $1.1 Billion.

So they say they cut when they actually would have spent $200 million more than the 1st example.
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What cuts are the Pubs in favor of? How much?
Assistance for orphans and widows, mostly.

I think the current crop are short on ideas.

To really make a difference you have to go after defense and entitlements.

I'd throw in corporate welfare, farm subsidies, aid to un-liberal nations and of course Big Bird!
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