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you mean help AMERICANS? Of course....I just don't want our tax dollars being offered to non-citizens dude....who would?
If they pay taxes, they should be able to collect help when they need it....
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I saw a commenter mention that this is all part of some Cloward-Piven Strategy. I've never heard of it before so I looked it up.
Cloward–Piven strategy
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The Cloward–Piven strategy is a political strategy outlined in 1966 by American sociologists and political activists Richard Cloward (1926–2001) and Frances Fox Piven (b. 1932) that called for overloading the U.S. public welfare system in order to precipitate a crisis that would lead to a replacement of the welfare system with a national system of "a guaranteed annual income and thus an end to poverty". Cloward and Piven were a married couple who were both professors at the Columbia University School of Social Work. The strategy was formulated in a May 1966 article in liberal[1] magazine The Nation titled "The Weight of the Poor: A Strategy to End Poverty".[2]
The two were critical of the public welfare system, and their strategy called for overloading that system to force a different set of policies to address poverty. They stated that many Americans who were eligible for welfare were not receiving benefits, and that a welfare enrollment drive would strain local budgets, precipitating a crisis at the state and local levels that would be a wake-up call for the federal government, particularly the Democratic Party, thus forcing it to implement a national solution to poverty. Cloward and Piven wrote that “the ultimate objective of this strategy [would be] to wipe out poverty by establishing a guaranteed annual income...”[2] There would also be side consequences of this strategy, according to Cloward and Piven. These would include: easing the plight of the poor in the short-term (through their participation in the welfare system); shoring up support for the national Democratic Party then-splintered by pluralistic interests (through its cultivation of poor and minority constituencies by implementing a national "solution" to poverty); and relieving local governments of the financially and politically onerous burdens of public welfare (through a national "solution" to poverty)[citation needed].
There's more at the link. Interesting strategy. Logically speaking, you could see where the plan could work. Implode the system from within. It's kind of how I see Obamacare. Destroy the current system so that the new systems inevitible failure, leads to the originally desired result. Plausible at least. Although that doesn't mean it's true or anything.
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I was behind a guy the other day in New Bedford ...
He was arguing that he should be able to use his EBT to buy an energy drink.
told the cashier it was loaded with nutrition ...
We need to go bankrupt asap. A friend told me a woman in line in front of him had 2 EBT cards out and she was trying to figure out which one to pay with.
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"The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him." Leo Tolstoy, 1897
One of the things you do not mention in your diatribe is the high incidence of mental illness among the homeless, remember the draconian institutions that the state used to run.. at one time there were thousands of people either living at Ladd or the RIMC.. then they deinstitutionalized. The promise made was that the money that was spent in institutions would follow them to the community, somehow that money got pirated and funneled into other programs..
Alcoholism and drug addiction is not a matter of self control, but is considered an illness..
If everyone finished high school and did not get pregnant is a very simple answer to a complicated problem.. there is no quick fix to these issues, but starting with giving people dignity is a good place.
Here is something you might try, go on a job hunt and tell people how you just got out of prison and need a chance, see how quickly you get hired..
As far as panhandling in Newport goes, not sure they allow it.. have never seen it, the reason that the shelters have less demand in the summer is that it is more comfortable to sleep outside or in other places..
If you hear something, does not mean it is true..
I didn't work in a shelter. I worked to feed the poor, not shelter them.
Providence doesn't allow pan handling either but it still happens...lol. I know for a fact it happens in Newport because I've heard them talking about "the best spots", etc. on more than one occassion.
Of course overcoming alcoholism and drug addiction is a matter of self control. I know functioning alcoholics and drug addicts who choose not to drink and who choose not to take drugs.
Out of the thousands of homeless people I interacted with, a vast majority didn't appear to have any obvious mental illness. Can I diagnose them, obviously not....but I know what I hear and I know what I see. The homeless advocates include drug use and alcohol use as mental illness in their demographics but they never reveal that breakdown in their numbers. It's just another lie told by those who work with the homeless.
People start with dignity and then they decide to give it away. There is a right way and a wrong way to live our lives and if we make bad choices then we need to deal with the consequences.
I have far less sympathy for those in the US who have the opportunity to go to school and live the American dream but waste it on drugs or alcohol or promiscuity.
I would much rather help those who don't have that opportunity through no fault of their own.
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I saw a commenter mention that this is all part of some Cloward-Piven Strategy. I've never heard of it before so I looked it up.
Cloward–Piven strategy
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
The Cloward–Piven strategy is a political strategy outlined in 1966 by American sociologists and political activists Richard Cloward (1926–2001) and Frances Fox Piven (b. 1932) that called for overloading the U.S. public welfare system in order to precipitate a crisis that would lead to a replacement of the welfare system with a national system of "a guaranteed annual income and thus an end to poverty". Cloward and Piven were a married couple who were both professors at the Columbia University School of Social Work. The strategy was formulated in a May 1966 article in liberal[1] magazine The Nation titled "The Weight of the Poor: A Strategy to End Poverty".[2]
The two were critical of the public welfare system, and their strategy called for overloading that system to force a different set of policies to address poverty. They stated that many Americans who were eligible for welfare were not receiving benefits, and that a welfare enrollment drive would strain local budgets, precipitating a crisis at the state and local levels that would be a wake-up call for the federal government, particularly the Democratic Party, thus forcing it to implement a national solution to poverty. Cloward and Piven wrote that “the ultimate objective of this strategy [would be] to wipe out poverty by establishing a guaranteed annual income...”[2] There would also be side consequences of this strategy, according to Cloward and Piven. These would include: easing the plight of the poor in the short-term (through their participation in the welfare system); shoring up support for the national Democratic Party then-splintered by pluralistic interests (through its cultivation of poor and minority constituencies by implementing a national "solution" to poverty); and relieving local governments of the financially and politically onerous burdens of public welfare (through a national "solution" to poverty)[citation needed].
There's more at the link. Interesting strategy. Logically speaking, you could see where the plan could work. Implode the system from within. It's kind of how I see Obamacare. Destroy the current system so that the new systems inevitible failure, leads to the originally desired result. Plausible at least. Although that doesn't mean it's true or anything.
Can you just IMAGINE if everyone got a guaranteed income! Working would become a choice, not a necessity.
Fugg that idea RW...seriously would destroy this country. We'd have 35% trying to support 65%....the math would never work. Might as well opt for communism....which both Cloward & Piven clearly were.
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The Patriots have been overachievers the past two years. It doesn't have the talent to compensate for injuries, and it wins so much because it puts in 99% effort in the regular season and plays with terrific schemes to mask its deficiencies.
But in the playoffs a good team at 99% will not beat emotional, talented teams that play at 100%. It's what happened against the Giants in 2011 and the Ravens in 2012.
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