Originally Posted by Real World

If, if, if, if.....so tell me, how many pooo-fessa's making that crazy loot, do you actually believe bring in enough grant money to justify their salaries?

Originally Posted by Patters

"Earnings for college faculty vary according to rank and type of institution, geographic area, and field. According to a 2006-07 survey by the American Association of University Professors, salaries for full-time faculty averaged $73,207. By rank, the average was $98,974 for professors, $69,911 for associate professors, $58,662 for assistant professors, $42,609 for instructors, and $48,289 for lecturers."

Originally Posted by Real World

Professors like Chief "one class" Warren?

This is what I like to call "drone speak". It's when people parrot some long held talking point that maybe fit like 30 years ago, but is anything but the truth now. The old "on a cops salary" is another one. Sure, 20-30 years ago cops didn't make a killing. Now a cop pulling in less than six figures is doing something wrong. Teachers get paid now. Professors get paid now. State and federal employees get paid now. In my town fireman are making $150k per. Seriously people, wake up to reality. We're not trying to put anyone down in here. We're simply trying to make light of what is becoming a serious problem.



If there was an award for the most inept, insignificant, adds absolutely nothing, doesn't have the slightest clue, waste of breathe and time....nevermind.



I want to make sure that I state that my thread here is not a specific attack on you, or anyone who works as an administrator. People work jobs, and its not necessarily their fault if a profession is overpaid, too costly, or whatever. When I rail on what cops make, it's not a knock on a cop. If I were a cop I wouldn't turn down the money. I'm merely pointing out flaws in a system. Not in the individual people who work inside it. I just want to stress that.

That being said, the issue isn't so much that teachers and administrators aren't needed, or shouldn't be paid a good wage. As is the case with most things I gripe about, it's the extent of it. Hundreds of thousands per year for an army of administrators, or even $100+k per for an army of them, is too much. It's part of the reason why tuition costs have spiralled out of control. Professors are no exclusion here. Their compensation in many cases is a joke. A professor shouldn't make more teaching, than he would make working a 9-5 in the real world. You can't force, or regulate that of course, but it's a general thought on my part. Look at what some of these people make.

Your tax dollars at work: State Payroll - BostonHerald.com

It's absurd imo.

Another point is the line that people use regarding "attracting the best people". Schools cannot pay that way. Working in the education industry is not the same as working in private industry. The same goes for most government jobs. They're lower stress, higher security positions, and thus had always been lower paying with good benefits. Now they're still lower stress with higher security, but with higher pay and even better benefits. The systems are broken.



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Professors like Chief One Class for $365k per? Reputations are nonsense for the most part. There is very little difference in the average education at many of these schools. Clearly there are the best of the best, and your bargain basement schools, but for the most part a finance, business, or accounting degree from one school is no different from another. Most companies that hire fillers know they're going to be training graduates on the job. The idea that a professor at Umass is worth $300k per is laughable imo. Furthermore, the beauty of the "attract the best" line of thinking in taxpayer/government funded, or subsidized industries, is that it perpetuates the wage inflation related problem. Something that the people who support the industry love. Now URI will pay $325k per to attract that "best" professor from Umass....

Sure, I'm envious....

You're right Patters. Professors are totally worth $300k, $400K, heck $500k plus per. Especially when it's taxpayers and students who ultimately foot the bill. Who cares about those people, when banks and the educations industry can get rich? I forgot though, you're all about the little people. You support those OWS kids who complain about owing six figures in student loans. Again though, those administrators (unless they're union admins for the teachers union in Chicago of course) maybe don't deserve the loot, but those poooo-fessa's sure do.

Hey, I don't call you Frauders for nothing.

Originally Posted by scout

Just to be clear, I am not paid well, nor will I ever be paid anywhere near these figures. I am a few credits short of a Masters in Education, thus, have some knowledge on the subject. From Nunchucks post, he/she mentions distance education designers and developers; and I can tell you from a course I am currently taking, the technological personal are equally important as the teacher. A good teacher is actually a facilitator in distance education. In addition, teaching without these 'administrators' would be an epic failure.

Cutting administrative salaries to send more learners to college is not the answer.

Originally Posted by Patters

Man, RW, you read one article that talks about a professors high salary and you leap to all sorts of conclusions. Why don't you do a little homework rather than simply seek out an anecdote to support your belief system? Ever heard of critical thinking?

Most college instructors earn lousy salaries, not enormous ones, and the ones who help give a college a reputation, attract grant money, and attract good students. And yes, I think many of the higher paid professors draw in significant corporate and other grant money. It's the lower paid ones who tend not to do research. As I mentioned elsewhere, I have a friend who earns around $30k/year teaching at areas colleges. My brother in law decided to become a hs teacher because he did not want to do research and knew he would earn a more reliable income for his family by teaching hs, not college. (He has a Ph.D.) While colleges pay better than they used, they still pay rather poorly.

The handful of high paid professors is not the reason college costs have gone up so much. It's the cuts in state and federal aid. The Greatest Generation was given free and very low cost tuition after WWII, and that created the white middle class (blacks were largely excluded from those benefits because of discrimination, but that's another story).

"Earnings for college faculty vary according to rank and type of institution, geographic area, and field. According to a 2006-07 survey by the American Association of University Professors, salaries for full-time faculty averaged $73,207. By rank, the average was $98,974 for professors, $69,911 for associate professors, $58,662 for assistant professors, $42,609 for instructors, and $48,289 for lecturers."

This is the link to that quote!
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Originally Posted by Ilikehappyppl

lol RW,



You would win it! I would vote for you! Way to name call and not debate what I said, your like a broken record, you say the same thing over and over and over, you post the same video over and over and over.

I get it! You don't like me, guess what? The feelings mutual I can get along with most people of this forum but your by far the most vial of them all....

You always name call me, you never debate me....This is the last time I reply to you, your not worth my time...Good luck in life! Have a great day!

Originally Posted by Ilikehappyppl

You always name call me, you never debate me....This is the last time I reply to you, your not worth my time...Good luck in life! Have a great day!

Originally Posted by PatriotsReign

But RW didn't call you any names...

unless you're making assumptions

Originally Posted by Ilikehappyppl

And you were saying?

This isn't the first time either PR, no offence but this is between me and him, not me and you. Also if you have a question, you should PM me instead of talking about it on the forums.

It seems that most of these thread turn into attacks instead of debates....just saying!