It's on now... (official Hamas vs. Israel octogon thread)

[UK_Pat37]

I've made my thoughts pretty clear in Israel on here before.

I don't support them. They ignored the Partition plan, seized Palestinian villages and killed any man, woman or child who tried to keep their home after the British withdrawal in the late 1940s. Prior to that, Jews attacked our troops who tried to enforce the British Mandate For Palestine.

Most people don't know that Israel illegaly own a lot of that land yet a blind eye was turned because people simply felt sorry for them. They wre persecuting Palestinians just three/four years after they'd been persecuted themselves.

The west should have gotten a grip with Israel a long time ago and sadly we now have no control in that area. There will be a huge conflict in that region soon and we will get drawn in to it.

I can almost assure you that Iran and Egypt will get involved. When that happens, thes no telling what will happen. Israel are too big or their boots and we bend over far too often.

Israel are not a victim. Far from it. They incited even more hate on themselves. We are just as much to blame. We didn't enforce the partition plan and therefore we lost control of the region.

Most have no clue about what really happened there or what really goes on because Israel are able to stem the news that gets out of there. They conveniently wipe and alter parts of their history to suit their ideals and beliefs and make them look like the good guys.

The minute people wake up and realise we've helped create a dangerous nation the better.

[DocHoliday]

Originally Posted by UK_Pat37

I've made my thoughts pretty clear in Israel on here before.

I don't support them. They ignored the Partition plan, seized Palestinian villages and killed any man, woman or child who tried to keep their home after the British withdrawal in the late 1940s. Prior to that, Jews attacked our troops who tried to enforce the British Mandate For Palestine.

Most people don't know that Israel illegaly own a lot of that land yet a blind eye was turned because people simply felt sorry for them. They wre persecuting Palestinians just three/four years after they'd been persecuted themselves.

The west should have gotten a grip with Israel a long time ago and sadly we now have no control in that area. There will be a huge conflict in that region soon and we will get drawn in to it.

I can almost assure you that Iran and Egypt will get involved. When that happens, thes no telling what will happen. Israel are too big or their boots and we bend over far too often.

Israel are not a victim. Far from it. They incited even more hate on themselves. We are just as much to blame. We didn't enforce the partition plan and therefore we lost control of the region.

Most have no clue about what really happened there or what really goes on because Israel are able to stem the news that gets out of there. They conveniently wipe and alter parts of their history to suit their ideals and beliefs and make them look like the good guys.

The minute people wake up and realise we've helped create a dangerous nation the better.

Iran doesn't care. Iran's funding to Hamas is designed to keep Israel occupied at home and not planning to bomb Iran.

Other than that, Iran had no real reason to tie itself to Palestinians

[Harry Boy]

A few years ago I used to be Called An Anti Semite for asking why it was almost a Mortal Sin to say anything at all Critical of Israel, I often asked why would a person in America, an American citizen have their whole life ruined forever because they said something that might be considered "offensive" about Jews, for a small example, Marlon Brando once said "Hollywood is run by Jews" he was practically Excomunictaed from the world.

Now (ever since 9/11) the Left Wing Liberals, the very same people who called Marlon Brando and myself Anti Semites they are now the ones saying far worse about Jews than I ever did.

The sad part is many many Jews are Left Wing Liberals.



HUMAN BEINGS ARE VERY STRANGE CREATURES

[Nikolai]

Originally Posted by UK_Pat37

I've made my thoughts pretty clear in Israel on here before.

I don't support them. They ignored the Partition plan, seized Palestinian villages and killed any man, woman or child who tried to keep their home after the British withdrawal in the late 1940s. Prior to that, Jews attacked our troops who tried to enforce the British Mandate For Palestine.

Most people don't know that Israel illegaly own a lot of that land yet a blind eye was turned because people simply felt sorry for them. They wre persecuting Palestinians just three/four years after they'd been persecuted themselves.

The west should have gotten a grip with Israel a long time ago and sadly we now have no control in that area. There will be a huge conflict in that region soon and we will get drawn in to it.

I can almost assure you that Iran and Egypt will get involved. When that happens, thes no telling what will happen. Israel are too big or their boots and we bend over far too often.

Israel are not a victim. Far from it. They incited even more hate on themselves. We are just as much to blame. We didn't enforce the partition plan and therefore we lost control of the region.

Most have no clue about what really happened there or what really goes on because Israel are able to stem the news that gets out of there. They conveniently wipe and alter parts of their history to suit their ideals and beliefs and make them look like the good guys.

The minute people wake up and realise we've helped create a dangerous nation the better.

Okie dokie...

[ExiledBostonPat]

Originally Posted by DarrylS

Source for the rockets inside of Israel Borders?? Israel changes the borders all the time, so it is difficult to tell what is theirs and what is Palestines??

Since 2000, 1476 Palestinian Children have been killed by Israel...

Israel has established 236 settlements on Palestinian Land..

Israel has demolished over 24,000 homes in Palestine..

The US gives Israel 8.2 million dollars of aid daily to Israel...

Here is the news you will not find on any of the mainstream sites..

Israel-Palestine: The Missing Headlines

Palestinean leaders allied themselves with Nazi Germany in WW II. And after the war was over, fused Nazi ideology into their system. There was a partition plan at the time which everyone agreed to, except the Palestineans who had been promised by their Arab neighbours that Israel would be driven into the sea (code speak for 'destroyed') so they said no.

Hamas and co are nothing but neo-fascist organization which want to finish Adolfs job. And as it is, there's only one area on the planet where Adolf and his genocidal gang are fondly remembered as great men: the Middle-East. Mein Kampf still a bestseller there. That says it all.

Not saying Israel never did/does wrong, but when you are up against people that, on leadership level (Hamas and co) consider themselves the heirs of nazism, can you be blamed for self-defense?

[DocHoliday]

Originally Posted by ExiledBostonPat

Palestinean leaders allied themselves with Nazi Germany in WW II. And after the war was over, fused Nazi ideology into their system. There was a partition plan at the time which everyone agreed to, except the Palestineans who had been promised by their Arab neighbours that Israel would be driven into the sea (code speak for 'destroyed') so they said no.

Hamas and co are nothing but neo-fascist organization which want to finish Adolfs job. And as it is, there's only one area on the planet where Adolf and his genocidal gang are fondly remembered as great men: the Middle-East. Mein Kampf still a bestseller there. That says it all.

Not saying Israel never did/does wrong, but when you are up against people that, on leadership level (Hamas and co) consider themselves the heirs of nazism, can you be blamed for self-defense?

"Heirs of Nazism"?

lol, way to propaganda. Did you lift that from the JIDF twitter account?

[UK_Pat37]

Originally Posted by Nikolai

Okie dokie...

You think that's wrong? You truly don't know what went on. Come on, at least come up witha counter argument, or can't you? Is 'okie dokie' all you have to offer?

As for recent events; Israel admitted deliberately targeting media buildings which also house British and other foreign media companies.

It's things like this that are unacceptable. Why do they need to do that? They don't. However, they have continuously tried to stem the flow of news Out of that region as best they can to suit their media interests...that's a blatant act of censorship. Western Powers won't utter a bad word though

You couldn't get any more David Vs Goliath with this battle. An ground attack by Israel could spark huge war.

[UK_Pat37]

Originally Posted by ExiledBostonPat

Palestinean leaders allied themselves with Nazi Germany in WW II. And after the war was over, fused Nazi ideology into their system. There was a partition plan at the time which everyone agreed to, except the Palestineans who had been promised by their Arab neighbours that Israel would be driven into the sea (code speak for 'destroyed') so they said no.

Hamas and co are nothing but neo-fascist organization which want to finish Adolfs job. And as it is, there's only one area on the planet where Adolf and his genocidal gang are fondly remembered as great men: the Middle-East. Mein Kampf still a bestseller there. That says it all.

Not saying Israel never did/does wrong, but when you are up against people that, on leadership level (Hamas and co) consider themselves the heirs of nazism, can you be blamed for self-defense?

Nice story.

Actually, not everyone agreed to that partition plan. The partition plan was drastically unfair and he british very well knew it. We had kept peace in that region ever since we ousted the Ottoman Empire after World War One and, after we tried to stem the huge low f Jews attempting to seek refuge, America and the UN overruled us.

In what was already a seriously unstable region, you helped unstabalise it even more.

America promised us military support to enforce the partition. Didn't happen.

We therefore abstained and ended our mandate in Palestine. Once we had left, israel started seizing any land they thought was there's and deliberately disobeyed the partition plan.

They seized Palestinian villages which should have been kept Palestinian under the Partition Plan and any who resisted were shot dead at their doorstep o homes their ancestors had built.

Doesn't that have elements of nazism and Adolf Hitler? From the very people he persecuted himself. There's no excuse or that.

Even so, if you were Palestinian, would you want to accept giving up your home because America and the UN told you that you and to? They had EVERY right to be peeved off at losing their home to the partition plan...a plan drastically unfair.

Your government helped create this mess then backed Israel through all their war crimes. Both America and Britain have to stop backing them and make them realise the seriousness of the situation.

[Hebeill]

I have always supported isreal, but now its up to a certain point or level. IMO this is a pre election stunt by Netenyaho. Its also akin to killing a fly with a bazooka, a thousand sorties in such a small area leading up to an invasion.

[DarrylS]

Just got back from a presentation about "J Street" and organization that adovcates for a two state solution, and according to them there a majority opinion amongst the Isreali's and american jewish folks who support this or a similar plan.

To continue to take their land, and slaughter children is a very bad answer..

J Street: The Political Home for Pro-Israel, Pro-Peace Americans

This is a very good speech, Amos Oz who has been working on this since 1967, they contend that most of the confictual issues could be alleviated if there were two states..

Amos Oz speaks on the opening night of J on J Street