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Old 11-14-2012, 10:29 AM   #1
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the beauty is in the simplicity........it would work great

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If he ran on that platform I would vote for him.
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Ralph is now 78, so he will not run for president..

Like the simplicity of his plan, small banks, farmer's markets, cracking down on corporate fraud, simplified tax code... all makes sense.
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Fundamental Tax Reform: "What I favor is a simple principle," Nader says. "Let us first tax things we don't like before we tax labor."
Nader's 'bold idea' is to tax corporate crime, corporate pollution and what he calls "the big one", Wall Street speculation; specifically, "bets on bets," i.e. derivatives. "That would bring in hundreds of billions of dollars, and we could use that for public works repair and create good paying jobs and/or reducing taxes on individuals."
In addition to taxing labor (does he mean income?), I think that taxing investment is not a good idea. I am all for "taxing" corporate crime, pollution, etc. I can see taxing derivatives as getting tricky and leading to new alternatives designed to get around that scheme (not that I am a big fan). I think increasing taxes on fuel (particularly diesel) could help to fund infrastructure repair and upgrades.

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Getting Rid of Corporate Welfare: Citing an ideal originally proposed by Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), Nader is proposing a national commission on corporate subsides and tax loopholes to determine "which ones are wasteful, inequitable, or boomerang in accordance to their own purpose."
Sign me up for ending subsidies. As far as tax loopholes, I think that is in the eye of the beholder. One man's tax deduction is welfare to those who don't benefit from it.

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Cracking Down on Corporate Crime: Ronald Reagan's Attorney General Edwin Meese sent more than 1000 banking executives to jail following the Savings & Loan crisis. Yet four-plus years after the bursting of the credit bubble, scant few Wall Street executives have gone to jail.
Who cares if they go to jail? Hit them with fines. Go after the money. I never understood the desire to put white-collar crooks in jail while their families continue to enjoy the stolen wealth.

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Make Communities More Self-Reliant: Nader's idea is to encourage Americans to spend their money at farmer's markets, credit unions or community banks, community health clinics that emphasize prevention and on renewable energy. "The more money you put there, the less money Citigroup and ExxonMobil and all these giant corporations will receive," he says.
I think this dovetails with the idea of increasing the cost of transportation of goods (i.e. tax on diesel). That would encourage more localized commerce. No doubt that big business is part of the problem. Not sure if Ralph is also interested in decentralizing government control as well.
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If he ran on that platform I would vote for him.
He has...many times. He just couldn't get into any debates and didn't look good enought to run our Idiocracy which is obsessed with appearance, slogan fluff and cool commercials. Bad posture, lazy eye, all that...

We needed Ralph years ago and no one took him seriously because he refused to run on the Republicrat ticket and was subsequently shut out of the process. Too bad. Imagine what shape we'd be in if he had been an 8-year president instead of Bush. Now it's too late. He's too old and our country's too stupid.
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He has...many times. He just couldn't get into any debates and didn't look good enought to run our Idiocracy which is obsessed with appearance, slogan fluff and cool commercials. Bad posture, lazy eye, all that...

We needed Ralph years ago and no one took him seriously because he refused to run on the Republicrat ticket and was subsequently shut out of the process. Too bad. Imagine what shape we'd be in if he had been an 8-year president instead of Bush. Now it's too late. He's too old and our country's too stupid.
Yes I remember him running. I didn't think he was 78 though.
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Who cares if they go to jail? Hit them with fines. Go after the money. I never understood the desire to put white-collar crooks in jail while their families continue to enjoy the stolen wealth.

It has to be both. If there isn't jail time, then what's to stop people from trying to steal wealth? You have to confiscate the stolen loot, fine them so as to take away from what they personally have, and then toss them in jail so they personally pay a price.
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It has to be both. If there isn't jail time, then what's to stop people from trying to steal wealth? You have to confiscate the stolen loot, fine them so as to take away from what they personally have, and then toss them in jail so they personally pay a price.
I guess I was thinking about the burden of proof for civil vs. criminal offenses. I think there is a lot of fuzzy math in this area where bad stewardship becomes a jailable offense. I favor making the punishment fit the crime. If there is clear evidence of fraud then yeah, throw them in jail. There are plenty of others that are on the edge of legal behavior, but who definitely profited at the expense of those on whose behalf they were running a company. In those cases at least get the money!

The whole "corporate governance" movement post-Enron in the end produced lots of fees for consultants and we still wound up with the 2008 financial collapse. It also created some ludicrous prosecutions, like that of Conrad Black. After his ouster the value of the company collapsed.

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He has...many times. He just couldn't get into any debates and didn't look good enought to run our Idiocracy which is obsessed with appearance, slogan fluff and cool commercials. Bad posture, lazy eye, all that...
Without exception, everyone makes immediate judgement based upon looks. If Christie ran at his 350 lb current weight, he'd never even get nominated. And prolly rightly so....we don't want him having a HAHT attack while in office.

everywhere you look on this earth, you see similar examples. Dictatorships can't be included! But in any country where people vote, ugly bastids don't get elected.

Every now and then, you see an exception that gives us false hope. Nixon and Carter weren't too good looking.
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