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Quite a few of them in "The Black Caucus" Maxine & Shelia Lee two of the biggest.
The title "Black Caucus" is racist, are any other groups allowed to do this (brown, white, indian)
Are White Democrats allowed to join The Black Caucus?
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Ronald Reagan started his presidential campaign in Philadelphia, MS, known only as a place where civil rights workers were murdered, and there he talked about states rights and segregation. Ronald Reagan supported the Apartheid in South Africa almost until the end of his administration. He weakened Civil Rights, lied about "welfare queens," and so on. You want to talk history. Go ahead. List the signature Civil Rights accomplishments of the Republicans. There are almost none. The only issue I can think of where Republicans were good on civil rights was with Bob Dole and the Americans with Disabilities Act, for which he deserves credit.
This gets paraded out as fact but its not that cut and dry.
Telephone Interview With Bob Mohan of WSB Radio in Atlanta, Georgia
August 24, 1985
Mr. Mohan. Good morning, Mr. President. This is Bob Mohan with WSB Radio in Atlanta, Georgia.
The President. Yes. Good morning, Bob. Good to talk to you.
South Africa
Mr. Mohan. Thank you so very much, Mr. President, for this opportunity to talk with you this morning. Since time is at a premium, I have a three-part question regarding South Africa, sir. In view of the increased unrest in South Africa, Mr. President, do you anticipate any change in our policies in South Africa?
The President. No, not really, because I have to look at what has been accomplished so far. Our relationship with South Africa, which has always over the years been a friendly one -- we have made it plain, in spite of that, that apartheid is very repugnant to us and that they should go down the path of reform and bringing about a more perfect democracy in their country. And our present relationship has, we believe, resulted in some very substantial changes: the very fact that now the blacks have ability -- being in labor unions or even having their own labor unions; the fact they can buy property in the heretofore white areas; that they can own businesses in some 40 white-dominated business districts. They have eliminated the segregation that we once had in our own country -- the type of thing where hotels and restaurants and places of entertainment and so forth were segregated -- that has all been eliminated. They recognize now interracial marriages and all.
But we believe that for us to take an action now such as some are suggesting, turning our backs and walking away, would leave us with no persuasive power whatsoever. We think that if we continue we can help the present administration there, which is a reformist administration as evidenced by the things that I have just mentioned.
Reagan's infamous speech in Philadelphia, Mississipi
In 1980, one of the major party presidential nominees opened his general election by delivering a speech in a small town in the Deep South that just by coincidence happened to be the national headquarters of the Ku Klux Klan. That same candidate had previously complained about federal housing policies which attempted “to inject black families into a white neighborhood just to create some sort of integration.” He argued that there was “nothing wrong with ethnic purity being maintained.” That candidate was President Jimmy Carter, the Democratic nominee.
OOPS,thats a liberal Democrat John Glenn and Dukakis also spoke there during their campaigns
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After the Republicans nominated Ronald Reagan in Detroit in July, he gave his first post-convention speech in New Jersey, near the Statue of Liberty. While the informal opening date of the general election campaign is traditionally Labor Day, Reagan continued to campaign during August, and on August 3, 1980, spoke at the Neshoba County Fair in Mississippi. The Neshoba Fair is large and popular, which probably explains why Democratic Senator John Glenn campaigned there in 1983, when seeking the presidential nomination, and why Democratic presidential nominee Michael Dukakis spoke there during the 1988 general election campaign, shortly after being nominated by the Democratic Convention.
Seven miles away from the fairgrounds is the town of Philadelphia, Mississippi, where three civil rights workers were murdered in 1964. Unfortunately, it would be difficult to find many places in Alabama or Mississippi which are not within seven miles of the scene of some infamous past act of racial violence, such as a lynching.
Reagan’s Neshoba speech was 33 paragraphs, consisting almost entirely of remarks about economics and jokes about Jimmy Carter. In the middle of the speech, he discussed his experience with welfare reform as Governor of California. He began by rebutting the idea that people on welfare are lazy and don’t want to work. To the contrary, said Reagan, they were just trapped by bureaucracy. Welfare, education, and other programs would work better for their beneficiaries if they were managed by state and local governments, rather than federally:
“I don’t believe stereotype after what we did, of people in need who are there simply because they prefer to be there. We found the overwhelming majority would like nothing better than to be out, with jobs for the future, and out here in the society with the rest of us. The trouble is, again, that bureaucracy has them so economically trapped that there is no way they can get away. And they’re trapped because that bureaucracy needs them as a clientele to preserve the jobs of the bureaucrats themselves.
“I believe that there are programs like that, programs like education and others, that should be turned back to the states and the local communities with the tax sources to fund them, and let the people [applause drowns out end of statement].
“I believe in state’s rights; I believe in people doing as much as they can for themselves at the community level and at the private level. And I believe that we’ve distorted the balance of our government today by giving powers that were never intended in the constitution to that federal establishment. And if I do get the job I’m looking for, I’m going to devote myself to trying to reorder those priorities and to restore to the states and local communities those functions which properly belong there.”
Telephone Interview With Bob Mohan of WSB Radio in Atlanta, Georgia
August 24, 1985
Mr. Mohan. Good morning, Mr. President. This is Bob Mohan with WSB Radio in Atlanta, Georgia.
The President. Yes. Good morning, Bob. Good to talk to you.
South Africa
Mr. Mohan. Thank you so very much, Mr. President, for this opportunity to talk with you this morning. Since time is at a premium, I have a three-part question regarding South Africa, sir. In view of the increased unrest in South Africa, Mr. President, do you anticipate any change in our policies in South Africa?
The President. No, not really, because I have to look at what has been accomplished so far. Our relationship with South Africa, which has always over the years been a friendly one -- we have made it plain, in spite of that, that apartheid is very repugnant to us and that they should go down the path of reform and bringing about a more perfect democracy in their country. And our present relationship has, we believe, resulted in some very substantial changes: the very fact that now the blacks have ability -- being in labor unions or even having their own labor unions; the fact they can buy property in the heretofore white areas; that they can own businesses in some 40 white-dominated business districts. They have eliminated the segregation that we once had in our own country -- the type of thing where hotels and restaurants and places of entertainment and so forth were segregated -- that has all been eliminated. They recognize now interracial marriages and all.
But we believe that for us to take an action now such as some are suggesting, turning our backs and walking away, would leave us with no persuasive power whatsoever. We think that if we continue we can help the present administration there, which is a reformist administration as evidenced by the things that I have just mentioned.
Reagans MS speech
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OOPS,thats a liberal Democrat John Glenn and Dukakis also spoke there during their campaigns
Sorry I went over the the limit.
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PatsWSB47 , The whole world was condemning Apartheid, and Reagan of course was rationalizing his support of the white regime because he was confronted with the issue. Ronald Reagan was regularly labeling the ANC as Communist, terrorist, and he was internationally isolated on this issue. Bishop Tuto called his stand immoral and unChristian. Reagan did nothing against Apartheid until late in his term. If lip service to quell protests at home counts, then he did something. Of course, the only evidence you quoted is a telephone interview, hardly the most impressive forum for taking a stand against Apartheid.
As far as that Carter quote, I'd like to see it sourced. I can find only the same phrase repeated on right-wing websites and in commentary, and have no idea when he said it. Carter after all was a product of the South. As to the ethnic purity comment, Carter apologized. I don't believe Reagan ever apologized for lies about welfare queens driving Cadillacs, for speaking in Philadelphia, MA, or for Lee Atwater's racist rant and southern strategy, which is what this thread is about (in theory). At any rate, I'll give you that Carter was no liberal. Maybe he was a bigot too, but two righties doesn't make it right!
As far the apologist conservative site you used, why did Reagan choose a town famous for the murder of three Civil Rights workers, and why did he mention states rights there when at the time "states rights" meant segregation, which was still a big issue in the south. The argument that there's nowhere in the South where Reagan could have spoken that he would have been removed from a lynching or other race crime trivializes the relatively contemporaneous nature of the murder of Civil Rights workers and the fact that Lee Atwater admitted a blatant racist strategy. You can't run from that fact.
Reagan didn't do anything that different than what Carter, Nixon, Johnson or Ford did regarding South Africa. For example the US during the Carter administration vetoed a UN resolution condemning South Africa for apartheid and calling on sanctions. US policy towards South Africa during the Carter years was similar to US policy towards South Africa during the Reagan years.
Reagan though was somewhat ignorant and out of touch regarding minorities as were many people of his generation. For example I think back to Bobby Kennedy's role in the Freedom Riders situation in the 60's. Virtually no politicians were anywhere near as enlightened as they are today.
I'm disturbed though at how history is viewed through such partisan lenses. People will read this, and in months coming when Reagan's name gets brought up, the same tired, old slanted take on events will be repeated.
There is no apology for Atwater's racist remarks. Out of touch or unenlightened doesn't begin to describe him. He was clearly a racist.
Reagan didn't do anything that different than what Carter, Nixon, Johnson or Ford did regarding South Africa. For example the US during the Carter administration vetoed a UN resolution condemning South Africa for apartheid and calling on sanctions. US policy towards South Africa during the Carter years was similar to US policy towards South Africa during the Reagan years.
Reagan though was somewhat ignorant and out of touch regarding minorities as were many people of his generation. For example I think back to Bobby Kennedy's role in the Freedom Riders situation in the 60's. Virtually no politicians were anywhere near as enlightened as they are today.
I'm disturbed though at how history is viewed through such partisan lenses. People will read this, and in months coming when Reagan's name gets brought up, the same tired, old slanted take on events will be repeated.
There is no apology for Atwater's racist remarks. Out of touch or unenlightened doesn't begin to describe him. He was clearly a racist.
Ronald Reagan became President 16 years after Civil Rights legislation. There were national protests against Reagan's Apartheid policy, as there were against his AIDS policy. Reagan vetoed sanctions against Apartheid in 1986, but was overridden by Congress.
"President Ronald Reagan vetoed the law but was overridden by Congress (by the Senate 78 to 21, the House by 313 to 83). Reagan stated that he believed that the law's punitive sanctions would lead to more violence and more repression in South Africa. In the week leading up to the vote, President Reagan appealed to members of the Republican Party for support, but as Senator Lowell P. Weicker, Jr. would state, "For this moment, at least, the President has become an irrelevancy to the ideals, heartfelt and spoken, of America".[3] This override marked the first time in the twentieth century that a president had a foreign policy veto overridden."
And let's not lose sight of Atwater's southern strategy, which was blatantly racist. Why do you choose to keep ignoring that? How do you explain Atwater's plan and Reagan's going along with it? Is your defense of Reagan that he was bigot because he was an old guy brought up in a different era?
PatsWSB47 , The whole world was condemning Apartheid, and Reagan of course was rationalizing his support of the white regime because he was confronted with the issue. Ronald Reagan was regularly labeling the ANC as Communist, terrorist, and he was internationally isolated on this issue. Bishop Tuto called his stand immoral and unChristian. Reagan did nothing against Apartheid until late in his term. If lip service to quell protests at home counts, then he did something. Of course, the only evidence you quoted is a telephone interview, hardly the most impressive forum for taking a stand against Apartheid.
As far as that Carter quote, I'd like to see it sourced. I can find only the same phrase repeated on right-wing websites and in commentary, and have no idea when he said it. Carter after all was a product of the South. As to the ethnic purity comment, Carter apologized. I don't believe Reagan ever apologized for lies about welfare queens driving Cadillacs, for speaking in Philadelphia, MA, or for Lee Atwater's racist rant and southern strategy, which is what this thread is about (in theory). At any rate, I'll give you that Carter was no liberal.
As far the apologist conservative site you used, why did Reagan choose a town famous for the murder of three Civil Rights workers, and why did he mention states rights there when at the time "states rights" meant segregation, which was still a big issue in the south. The argument that there's nowhere in the South where Reagan could have spoken that he would have been removed from a lynching or other race crime trivializes the relatively contemporaneous nature of the murder of Civil Rights workers and the fact that Lee Atwater admitted a blatant racist strategy. You can't run from that fact.
You read what he said in the speech. he explains what he meant by states rights. He said nothing racist and made a point of debunking a myth about people on welfare. You have to make the leap that Reagan defined states rights the same way abolitionists did,and then you have to connect that to that the location of the speech was near where there were racist murders. Do you seriously think he was condoning those things?
Anyway heres an excerpt from the National Review article. Please keep some what of an open mind despite it being a conservative publication.
Democrat Jimmy Carter narrowly won Mississippi in 1976, so that state was quite competitive in 1980. Team Reagan found this particular event attractive after reading a June 1980 National Geographic magazine article titled “Mississippi’s Grand Reunion at the Neshoba County Fair.” Though some staffers worried about this appearance, Reagan believed in honoring his scheduled commitments, not canceling them. Pollster Dick Wirthlin’s advice to the contrary went unheeded.
Rather than addressing a race rally, the tape finds Reagan speaking jovially for 15 minutes to an overflow crowd. He discusses Carter’s failures including inflation, high taxes, runaway spending, and myriad foreign-affairs blunders. Reagan also tells plenty of jokes.
You read what he said in the speech. he explains what he meant by states rights. He said nothing racist and made a point of debunking a myth about people on welfare. You have to make the leap that Reagan defined states rights the same way abolitionists did,and then you have to connect that to that the location of the speech was near where there were racist murders. Do you seriously think he was condoning those things?
Anyway heres an excerpt from the National Review article. Please keep some what of an open mind despite it being a conservative publication.
Consider that the US Congress, with support of Republicans, overrode Reagan's veto of anti Apartheid legislation. Consider that Lee Atwater, as the initial post in this thread states, had a racist strategy and was the Karl Rove of Reagan's campaign. Consider that Reagan created the image of welfare queens having 15 kids so they could get enough welfare to buy Cadillacs (this was a lie). Now, I'll give you that Reagan was a masterful politician and as Atwater observed, you could no longer use the "n-" word; you had to be more subtle. Reagan was somewhat subtle, but his record on bigotry is well established and was at the time.
Ronald Reagan became President 16 years after Civil Rights legislation. There were national protests against Reagan's Apartheid policy, as there were against his AIDS policy. Reagan vetoed sanctions against Apartheid in 1986, but was overridden by Congress.
"President Ronald Reagan vetoed the law but was overridden by Congress (by the Senate 78 to 21, the House by 313 to 83). Reagan stated that he believed that the law's punitive sanctions would lead to more violence and more repression in South Africa. In the week leading up to the vote, President Reagan appealed to members of the Republican Party for support, but as Senator Lowell P. Weicker, Jr. would state, "For this moment, at least, the President has become an irrelevancy to the ideals, heartfelt and spoken, of America".[3] This override marked the first time in the twentieth century that a president had a foreign policy veto overridden."
And let's not lose sight of Atwater's southern strategy, which was blatantly racist. Why do you choose to keep ignoring that? How do you explain Atwater's plan and Reagan's going along with it? Is your defense of Reagan that he was bigot because he was an old guy brought up in a different era?
I would defend Lincoln and Obama in the same way. Lincoln started out pretty racist in his view of blacks despite his anti-savery crusade. Obama resisted and spoke out against gay marriage until very recently. Reagan came around on Apartheid. All politicians look the other way when they are looking to get elected to satisfy there base. You have apologized for Obama and the DNC for operating in that manner. My point is most politicians, even the some of the so called liberals in those days were bigots. Don't forget that. None of them were right.
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Re: Lee Atwater's famous quote
John Glenn and Dukakis also spoke there during their campaigns
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