Patradomous

If you don't like the flag we can change it to this...



https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...nment/R9BMnHQs

Ilikehappyppl

Don't let the door hit you on the way out!

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shmessy

Wow.

2% of the nation's population hates Democracy.

Looking good Orly Taitz, Donald Trump, etc!

'We lost so we want to take our ball and go home'.

Yeah, that's great advertising for the extreme Right Wing.

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Real World

Yes, secession movements sound petty, but remember that Vermont had a secession movement about 10 years ago too.

I've yet to see an accounting of what makes us this "we pay out more in taxes and they get more than they pay in" stuff. I hear it parroted all the time, but I never see an itemization, or specific explanation of how they account for those figures.

As for a state wanting to secede, would you support their right to independence, or force them, even militarily, to remain as a member of the union? I'm curious what people think. I remember when I heard about Vermonteers wanting to secede I laughed. Probably much like some are laughing in here. Now that I'm older, and more into states rights than before, I'm not sure I'd stop a state from leaving. I think, and I could be mistaken, that the constitutions language more or less prevents secession. Thoughts?

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Real World

Ok, I see a list there, but where is the methodology is what I'm asking. Like I said, I see the numbers put out there, and parroted all the time, but I've never seen a breakdown of how they came to those figures. Unless I missed it at the link, all I see is the list.

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"The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him."
Leo Tolstoy, 1897