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In any event, teabaggers also skew older. I don't think you could put together a tent city of blue-haired teabaggers who toughed it out in all weather. Their rhumatiz would act up.
Young people are different -- particularly a young population on the butt end of the system in place before they were born, who have unemployment of 10% plus (and I'm sure it's 30% plus when you start in with all the random assignation of horrible underemployment, leaving the workforce, blah blah blah, by which the pubbies like to shift the measure to declare every day the worst one EVAH.) A lot of them, as you know, have nothing but time.
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What did OWS accomplish?
They cost the tax payers millions in security & cleanup costs & accomplished
nothing.
Is this mess something you would want on your resume?
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They changed the conversation in this country from the pointless wailing about debt (face it, austerity doesn't work; and in any event, the majority of how you get out of debt will be to either increase taxes or decrease the economic security of the majority of the nation.) They changed the focus to the unconscionably unequal outcomes of the system. You know, what the right wing calls "class warfare." People started thinking where all the money is. This is actually a good thing.
The right can only dismiss it with some sniffy faux-upper-class dismissive comment about envy, which is bullcrap. The funny part is that the sniffy comment is always coming from some guy who thinks now that he's making 40 grand a year he's the bomb... but there's some guy making 20 grand trying to take it all from him.
OWS pretty much killed the teabagger vibe like grunge killed the hair bands c. 1990. Their polling number continued to tank throughout the OWS movement, as people started realizing that no, they're not scum because they're unemployed -- particularly since the financial sector, not the working people or that bogeyman, the unions, tanked the economy. People realized our present state is not the finest, fairest system we could imagine.
And when Mittens started talking about how 47% of people are "victims," that deft use of percentages reminded them of something they'd heard before... they are the 99%. Lots were also the 47%, and even more understood they could be quite easily.
That's not the America most of us want... and OWS did its share of spreading that message.
Meanwhile, the teabaggers managed primarily to detract from the belief of the world that we'll pay what we owe, with their repeated "I'd as soon default as look at you" bullcrap. They're the downgrade fans, the default fans, the something-for-nothing crowd.
They changed the conversation in this country from the pointless wailing about debt (face it, austerity doesn't work; and in any event, the majority of how you get out of debt will be to either increase taxes or decrease the economic security of the majority of the nation.) They changed the focus to the unconscionably unequal outcomes of the system. You know, what the right wing calls "class warfare." People started thinking where all the money is. This is actually a good thing.
The right can only dismiss it with some sniffy faux-upper-class dismissive comment about envy, which is bullcrap. The funny part is that the sniffy comment is always coming from some guy who thinks now that he's making 40 grand a year he's the bomb... but there's some guy making 20 grand trying to take it all from him.
OWS pretty much killed the teabagger vibe like grunge killed the hair bands c. 1990. Their polling number continued to tank throughout the OWS movement, as people started realizing that no, they're not scum because they're unemployed -- particularly since the financial sector, not the working people or that bogeyman, the unions, tanked the economy. People realized our present state is not the finest, fairest system we could imagine.
And when Mittens started talking about how 47% of people are "victims," that deft use of percentages reminded them of something they'd heard before... they are the 99%. Lots were also the 47%, and even more understood they could be quite easily.
That's not the America most of us want... and OWS did its share of spreading that message.
Meanwhile, the teabaggers managed primarily to detract from the belief of the world that we'll pay what we owe, with their repeated "I'd as soon default as look at you" bullcrap. They're the downgrade fans, the default fans, the something-for-nothing crowd.
They've also been rejected by the nation.
PFnV
"They changed the conversation in this country" I hear this over and over and over. What did they change it to? The politicians they say they support (like Obama) are against what they are preaching.
Sure, we now talk about them pooping on police cars, I guess that is something. But, what real change have they made?
They rally against the 1% all the while being supported monetarily by the 1%, what a conversation that is
This statement is absolutely true. For example, here are some examples of typical conversations before and after OWS:
Before OWS: "Good morning, Bob. Did you see the game last night?"
After OWS: "Good morning, Bob. Did you see what those filthy, disgusting *******s are doing in the park now?"
The mother-of-four who made headlines last year leaving her children to go join Occupy Wall Street is divorcing her husband and cashing in on his banking-earned riches in the process.
Stacey Hessler cites protesting as her profession and famously devoted herself to the Occupy movement, demonstrating against the very banks behind her recently increased cash-flow.
She walks away from former banker Curtiss Hessler with a total of $85,385 from his stock-filled retirement fund and bank account.
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this would be interesting if it were accurate, but its not the top 1% whose percentage of wealth has grown. It's the next 19% who has grown. The top 1% wealth has actually shrank through the Bush years.
They changed the conversation in this country from the pointless wailing about debt (face it, austerity doesn't work; and in any event, the majority of how you get out of debt will be to either increase taxes or decrease the economic security of the majority of the nation.) They changed the focus to the unconscionably unequal outcomes of the system. You know, what the right wing calls "class warfare." People started thinking where all the money is. This is actually a good thing.
The right can only dismiss it with some sniffy faux-upper-class dismissive comment about envy, which is bullcrap. The funny part is that the sniffy comment is always coming from some guy who thinks now that he's making 40 grand a year he's the bomb... but there's some guy making 20 grand trying to take it all from him.
OWS pretty much killed the teabagger vibe like grunge killed the hair bands c. 1990. Their polling number continued to tank throughout the OWS movement, as people started realizing that no, they're not scum because they're unemployed -- particularly since the financial sector, not the working people or that bogeyman, the unions, tanked the economy. People realized our present state is not the finest, fairest system we could imagine.
And when Mittens started talking about how 47% of people are "victims," that deft use of percentages reminded them of something they'd heard before... they are the 99%. Lots were also the 47%, and even more understood they could be quite easily.
That's not the America most of us want... and OWS did its share of spreading that message.
Meanwhile, the teabaggers managed primarily to detract from the belief of the world that we'll pay what we owe, with their repeated "I'd as soon default as look at you" bullcrap. They're the downgrade fans, the default fans, the something-for-nothing crowd.
They've also been rejected by the nation.
PFnV
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47, I think their safe districts like them well enough, as a pure la-la-land version of Conservative -- you know, with 9 9 9 plans, birth certificate silliness, inability to maintain even the lowest bar of civility ("you lie!"), etc. There are some pockets where people will keep shouting "yee haw" no matter what comes out of their addled pates.
But in terms of general support? Nah it's in the tank.
As to OWS changing the conversation, if you're not in your echo chamber, you'll notice nobody's talking about pooping in police cars. What they are talking about is deciles and quintiles of wealth and income distribution, as IC shows above, when he cleverly points out that the 1% didn't make out as well as the top 20% of late.
This kind of thinking wasn't even on the table in 2010. I don't think it's the dominant mode of analysis in American politics these days, but it's among them.
Remember, eating and regurgitating your own hermetically sealed vomit bag is what lost you the 2012 elections, righties. Get out of the bubble.
47, I think their safe districts like them well enough, as a pure la-la-land version of Conservative -- you know, with 9 9 9 plans, birth certificate silliness, inability to maintain even the lowest bar of civility ("you lie!"), etc. There are some pockets where people will keep shouting "yee haw" no matter what comes out of their addled pates.
But in terms of general support? Nah it's in the tank.
As to OWS changing the conversation, if you're not in your echo chamber, you'll notice nobody's talking about pooping in police cars. What they are talking about is deciles and quintiles of wealth and income distribution, as IC shows above, when he cleverly points out that the 1% didn't make out as well as the top 20% of late.
This kind of thinking wasn't even on the table in 2010. I don't think it's the dominant mode of analysis in American politics these days, but it's among them.
Remember, eating and regurgitating your own hermetically sealed vomit bag is what lost you the 2012 elections, righties. Get out of the bubble.
PFnV
2012, was not a good year from the right.
They did hold the house, which gives them some say moving forward.
I have yet to hear from an OWS candidate. You may not like the tea party, but they do have people who are actually running for office. You can't change the rules from a tent in a park.
Although I am not sure if he calls himself a teaparty member, but I do know
that Chris Christie is a Tea party favorite.
I am not sure if he will run in 2016, but I am saving room on my lawn for a
Christie sign.
Please let me know when a OWN member "not called Ketchup", steps out
of the tent and becomes leader.
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A leader of Occupy Wall Street abruptly quit his job as a city public school teacher after getting caught red-handed falsifying time sheets, The Post has learned.
Cornel West Arrest Leads to Questions About OWS Leadership
Despite the liberal leanings of Occupy Wall Street, it is increasingly clear that the movement will not be absorbed by the Democratic Party. It will instead have to form its own leadership.
OWS has been a vocal critic of the Democratic Party and President Barack Obama. West, for example claimed that Obama is “a black mascot of Wall Street oligarchs and a black puppet of corporate plutocrats.”
Sounds like Cornel West is a racist..... doesn't it?
Occupy Wall Street protesters stay at $700-a-night hotel
Hell no, we won’t go — unless we get goose down pillows.
Quote:
A key Occupy Wall Street leader and another protester who leads a double life as a businessman ditched fetid tents and church basements for rooms at a luxurious hotel that promises guests can “unleash [their] inner Gordon Gekko,” The Post has learned.
The $700-per-night W Hotel Downtown last week hosted both Peter Dutro, one of a select few OWS members on the powerful finance committee, and Brad Spitzer, a California-based analyst who not only secretly took part in protests during a week-long business trip but offered shelter to protesters in his swanky platinum-card room
“Tents are not for me,” he confessed, when confronted in the sleek black lobby of the Washington Street hotel where sources described him as a “repeat” guest.
I guess he is not one of the tough tent people.
Quote:
Meanwhile, Dutro, 35, one of only a handful of OWS leaders in charge of the movement’s $500,000 in donations, checked in on Wednesday, the night after police emptied Zuccotti Park.
Sure sounds shady.......
They had $500,000 & they spent $500 on buying up bad debt.
I am sure they had a lot of fun with the other $499,500.
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