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Old 11-09-2012, 02:35 PM   #21
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The thing I can't wrap my head around is the genetics of it. Traits that reduce the likelihood of reproducing (i.e. reduce the likelihood of being passed on) should over time diminish in occurrence unless they are due to a frequently-occurring mutation. Maybe it is due to a set of genes that express as preference for the same sex only in particular combinations?

An old neighbor of mine used to have German Shepard show dogs ... all 3 were female. I would look out my back window at times and see them humping each other. it is what it is ...
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An old neighbor of mine used to have German Shepard show dogs ... all 3 were female. I would look out my back window at times and see them humping each other. it is what it is ...

Do you think if there was a male German shepard present, they would have acted differently?

I had a dog (no other pets) who would regularly "befriend" a basketball. Do you think my dog was attracted to my basketball or do you think it's more likely that he was simulating heterosexual acts on the basketball?

BTW, why exactly were you staring out your window at those 3 dogs anyways.....hmmm?
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Do you think if there was a male German shepard present, they would have acted differently?

I had a dog (no other pets) who would regularly "befriend" a basketball. Do you think my dog was attracted to my basketball or do you think it's more likely that he was simulating heterosexual acts on the basketball?

BTW, why exactly were you staring out your window at those 3 dogs anyways.....hmmm?
Hey Rhody....I think I'll pass on that hoop game we discussed....
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Hey Rhody....I think I'll pass on that hoop game we discussed....

Why do you think I became a Patriots fan? Footballs aren't as good for "befriending".....or so I've heard.
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The thing I can't wrap my head around is the genetics of it. Traits that reduce the likelihood of reproducing (i.e. reduce the likelihood of being passed on) should over time diminish in occurrence unless they are due to a frequently-occurring mutation. Maybe it is due to a set of genes that express as preference for the same sex only in particular combinations?
Its not clear if it is at all genetic. There isn't any single gay gene we've found, and identical twins have been observed with different sexualities. So natural selection and genetics probably isn't involved.

As much as I hate to use this example (as the analogy is generic in basis) it could be an error in the reproduction that can't be eliminated - like down syndrome being the result of an extra inherited allele. That error can't be inherited, it's just a chance event where an extra chromosome ends up in the wrong place. Same here, just a structural issue somewhere.

If it was genetic however, natural selection could still allow this outcome. Group selection is a controversial idea that holds that traits can be selected for even though they may not help the individual. They instead help the group.

As it pertains to homosexuality, some have argued that gay animals often take the role of an extra caretaker since in those populations everyone having their own kids is too hard to maintain. (takes a whole village to raise a kid and all).

Thus you have extra adults who can help raise the next generation without focusing on their own kids.

How the actual gene(s) are passed on (again, if they exist) isnt clear. One explanation I've heard but don't really buy is the following:

Having a gay uncle means the nephews grow up more often than children without a gay uncle who dont take care of them. Since they are related, the gay gene could be passed on through this nephew (as their parent related to the gay uncle would have it too).

Group selection is vastly more complicated than that, but it's an interesting idea. The specifics haven't been worked out or even validated however.
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But in the playoffs a good team at 99% will not beat emotional, talented teams that play at 100%. It's what happened against the Giants in 2011 and the Ravens in 2012.

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What amazes me is why anyone cares. I mean, what difference does it make? People are what they are for whatever reason or reasons.
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What amazes me is why anyone cares. I mean, what difference does it make? People are what they are for whatever reason or reasons.
I care.....

because two chicks doing it is hot
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Even though there is zero evidence for it.

Evidence schmevidence.....the Progressive faith is the way to go!
ZERO evidence that traits are a result of genes?

Hmm...the double helix and science are on line 1, should I say you are "busy" or "out of the office"?

The Gay Gene: New Evidence Supports an Old Hypothesis | Think Tank | Big Think

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ZERO evidence....

I googled two words, and found TWO evidences
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ZERO evidence that traits are a result of genes?

Hmm...the double helix and science are on line 1, should I say you are "busy" or "out of the office"?

The Gay Gene: New Evidence Supports an Old Hypothesis | Think Tank | Big Think

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ZERO evidence....

I googled two words, and found TWO evidences
While I support your overall point, the evidence you linked is really, REALLY weak.

One of them had their association between the cluster of genes at 10% above normal chance.

In the limited population they observed its practically meaningless

Biological research is almost hopelessly misleading so often (often on purpose).
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But in the playoffs a good team at 99% will not beat emotional, talented teams that play at 100%. It's what happened against the Giants in 2011 and the Ravens in 2012.
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“Homosexuality Is Not Hardwired,” Concludes Head of The Human Genome Project



Dr. Collins succinctly reviewed the research on homosexuality and offers the following:

"An area of particularly strong public interest is the genetic basis of homosexuality. Evidence from twin studies does in fact support the conclusion that heritable factors play a role in male homosexuality. However, the likelihood that the identical twin of a homosexual male will also be gay is about 20% (compared with 2-4 percent of males in the general population), indicating that sexual orientation is genetically influenced but not hardwired by DNA, and that whatever genes are involved represent predispositions, not predeterminations [emphasis added]."

The heritability estimates for homosexuality is substantially lower than General Cognitive Ability, Extroversion, Agreeableness, Conscientiousness, Neuroticism, Openness, Aggression and Traditionalism!


http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/arc...7/mar/07032003



The Genome project shows us without a doubt that homosexual inclinations are not gentically hardwired.

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