RI Patriots fan

Yes....I was talking about the Presidency, obviously in 2016.

PatsFanInVa

Soooo let's see... You lost seats in the house. You lost seats in the Senate. You lost the presidential election.

I'm whistling past the graveyard.

RI Patriots fan

Really....the House is made to stick.

That's interesting because the Dems lost 63 Representatives 2 years ago. Did you know that was one of worst losses in American history? Hmmmm.....so the House is made to stick but the Dems lose 63 members and then the Tea Party loses 4 members this past election. Hmmmm......4........63.......4.....63. Ok, maybe percentages look better....Dems lost 25% of their seats in the House after the 2010 elections and the Tea party lost less than 8% of their seats after this election.
Hmmmmm.....8%.....25%.

Clearly, according to the Progressive faith, we ignore silly things like numbers and percentages because propaganda just feels so much better.

Oh and as to the midterms, you might want to do a little historical research if you think the Tea Party has something to worry about in 2014. I've said it a few times in several threads but the incumbent President's party has lost seats in the House 17 times in the last 20 mid terms with an average loss of 28 seats. Oh, and you do remember that historic 63 seat loss just 2 years ago, right?
But sure, the Tea Party should worry because all the historical trends point to us gaining seats.

Hebeill

No swimming in the river called de nile. Dangerous though lots of crocs, he'll get bit again if he doesn't get out.

RI Patriots fan

Nothing screams "mandate" like a 5-6 seat turn in the House and a 2 seat turn in the Senate.

If 5-6 seats is a mandate, what was the 63 seat turn in 2010?

alvinnf

Allot of spiking the football by the libs. Rightly so. Other than throwing Romney under the bus or call for a revamp of the GOP. Has anyone mentioned that, Barry ran a better campaign, much better. You can use any adjective you would like to describe the tenor of the campaign, but they did a better job. 2/3's of the population didn't vote so there are plenty of folks left to sharpen your message toward.

PatsFanInVa

The way you lock in your districts is through redistricting, following the once-a-decade census. The guys who got to do that this time around were, surprise surprise, the class of 2010. So, the teabaggers got their surge at exactly the right time. Maybe even perfect enough that they'll schism the party... they do like self-inflicted wounds

Seriously though, pubbies, believe what you want to believe. Please, please settle on the conclusion that your guy didn't stay conservative enough for long enough, that was the problem. Find new and different ways to try to foist the religious right and the racist/xenophobic right on the rest of the country along with the voodoo economic policies. Continue to cry the blues for millionaires.

In 2010, about 90 million people voted. It was 131 million in 2008 and 129 million in 2012. Here's a thought: maybe when your guys are the only ones at the polls you can win

Granted it was a dumb thing for the politically unsophisticated to bail in 2010, but them's the breaks. All the pubbie turnout models (resulting in the bad internal polling by the pubbies in '12) assumed people wouldn't come back out to reelect our fine president. But they did.

Here's another thought, while I'm "whistling by the graveyard" after the Democratic victory: What if 2010 was the outlier? What if you can't count on an enthusiasm gap? What if everybody is wise to the Con game?

LMAO, yeah I'm whistling past the graveyard.

PFnV

Patters

I'm not faulting the Republicans for gerrymandering, but gerrymandering has been very effective for preserving Tea Party seats. Let's face it, the Tea Party really only represents a few states with nearly 40% of the caucus from Texas, Louisiana, and Florida. They lost about 10% of their seats (though a couple are still too close to call) and from what I've read many of them have done Romneys and ran away from their Tea Party ideas. After all, things like "legitimate rape" don't seem to be that popular with the electorate. In Maine, the Dems gained control of both houses thus stopping their lunatic Tea Party governor in his tracks. I think that happened in a couple other states too. My guess is that the Tea Party will have much less clout going forward, but you are right, they are still a force.

I think if the economy continues to improve, and economic growth I just read was revised up to a very good 3.2%, the Dems will be okay in the midterms. The Republicans reached critical mass in 2010. I don't think they're poised for gains, unless they start acting more like moderates (which I expect to happen).

PatsFanInVa

I think we start to see the return of the moderates in the fiscal cliff chicken game. We'll see. I'd rather see that win -- a win for the nation -- than the win for the Dems that the pubbies would hand to them by running the country off the cliff.

It's just a matter of how many insist on being bat-guano crazy for Grover, and how many are ready to face facts and cope.

It's moments like these that the particular rules that preserve institutional power are all-important. Ironic for a "populist" movement to hide behind them, when by and large, they ran against such "insider Washington" institutions.

But even if they're the world's least popular populists, the institutions they so hate do still function, and do still preserve their power.

We'll see if they're ready to pretend to understand what governing's about.

PFnV

Tunescribe

Again, what the hell does this mean? Seems to be your catch-all snub of intellectual/scientific thought.

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