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DocHoliday · 11-06-2012, 07:38 PM

America already is somewhat socialist.

They're not definitive terms, nor is capitalistic. There are no pure examples of either in existence.

***IcyPatriot*** · 11-06-2012, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DocHoliday

America already is somewhat socialist.

They're not definitive terms, nor is capitalistic. There are no pure examples of either in existence.

I'm assuming you mean our money distribution?

I think I agree if that's your angle of opinion.

RI Patriots fan · 11-06-2012, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by lawrence welker

I've asked many who claim Obama is a "socialist"...
"just what is socialism?"
answer: crickets

Socialism is so diverse a topic, that I'd suggest that no Anti-Obamist could grasp it. Let alone try to pin such nonsense on some single person or office.

Pure reactionist rubbish.

People who claim "Obama's a socialist!" ought to be required, by law, to have a banjo player follow him or her 24/7 in lieu of "here's your sign".

I'm not sure why you're responding to my post with "Obama is not a Socialist" but Obama is a progressive who has embraced socialist policies, an example of which would be the government's ownership of GM stock which it looks like will cost the American people $13 billion in losses.

How did our investment in Government Motors turn out? We'll lose $13,406,749,459.74: http://www.bailoutcost.com/

U.S. Treasury rejects $15B loss under GM's 'sell now' plan

U.S. Treasury rejects $15B loss under GM's 'sell now' plan - New York Daily News

E1Downey · 11-06-2012, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by lawrence welker

I've asked many who claim Obama is a "socialist"...
"just what is socialism?"
answer: crickets

Socialism is so diverse a topic, that I'd suggest that no Anti-Obamist could grasp it. Let alone try to pin such nonsense on some single person or office.

Pure reactionist rubbish.

People who claim "Obama's a socialist!" ought to be required, by law, to have a banjo player follow him or her 24/7 in lieu of "here's your sign".

You are correct, it is a diverse topic. Has Obama publicly called for total state control over the means of production, distribution, and exchange? Not that I know of. Does that mean that Obama hasn't done anything as POS that can be best described as socialistic? No

If you have not seen that, then I'm afraid the rednecks you poke fun at are more observant than you are.

The real problem is not the misunderstanding of socialism...It's the misunderstanding of Capitalism. Those of us that think the U.S.A is still an example of Capitalism are very mistaken.

Drewski · 11-06-2012, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by E1Downey

You are correct, it is a diverse topic. Has Obama publicly called for total state control over the means of production, distribution, and exchange? Not that I know of. Does that mean that Obama hasn't done anything as POS that can be best described as socialistic? No

If you have not seen that, then I'm afraid the rednecks you poke fun at are more observant than you are.

The real problem is not the misunderstanding of socialism...It's the misunderstanding of Capitalism. Those of us that think the U.S.A is still an example of Capitalism are very mistaken.

Consumerism has been mistaken for Capitalism.

***Tunescribe*** · 11-06-2012, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by PatriotsReign

I feel similar...used to be 100% lifetime democrat all around every single vote. My first "Republican" vote was Scott Brown. Felt like I betrayed my father...but whatever, I'm 53 friggn years old.

I agree...

And I agree...oh well, their goes another assumption of mine out the winda!

Tune...I had this awful thought today and it really bothered me and still is.

My thought was...

"If I sat with down both Obama and Romney 1 on 1 and looked into their eyes and asked them exactly what their thoughts, intentions and motives truly were for the future of this country, no matter what they said, I would not believe either one of them."

Pretty pessimistic, huh?

Well, give yourself the benefit of doubt as a judge of character. I think I have a pretty good B.S.-ometer, but I know what you're saying. My hunch is that Obama would be more genuine and convincing.

As a native Midwesterner (born and raised Iowan), I do admit to a certain conservative streak yet I've never voted for a Republican pres candidate. Certain aspects of Republican ideology I agree with, though I'm generally Dem-leaning. I have a hard time getting past the GOP's anti-science/anti-intellectual/fundamentalist religion aspects.

E1Downey · 11-06-2012, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Drewski

Consumerism has been mistaken for Capitalism.

I think we have degenerated into crony capitalism. I fear the worst is yet to come. We took liberty for granted. When the SHTF and the fingers start pointing, I hope we stop to take a good hard look in the mirror.

Freedom and Justice should be the top priority and sacrificed for nothing. It is my belief that if we had kept things that way we would not be drowning like this.

Drewski · 11-06-2012, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Tunescribe

As a native Midwesterner (born and raised Iowan), I do admit to a certain conservative streak yet I've never voted for a Republican pres candidate. Certain aspects of Republican ideology I agree with, though I'm generally Dem-leaning. I have a hard time getting past the GOP's anti-science/anti-intellectual/fundamentalist religion aspects.

Third like in a row.

On a roll

Drewski · 11-06-2012, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by E1Downey

I think we have degenerated into crony capitalism. I fear the worst is yet to come. We took liberty for granted. When the SHTF and the fingers start pointing, I hope we stop to take a good hard look in the mirror.

Freedom and Justice should be the top priority and sacrificed for nothing. It is my belief that if we had kept things that way we would not be drowning like this.

Some of that sprinkled in for good measure.

PatriotsReign · 11-07-2012, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Patters

LOL. I haven't heard that kind of line in 30 years grandpa.

That's "not true". We all hear it all the time. Americans don't want socialism.

If you believe it's possible for us to move toward more socialism, you're delusional Patters...Wanting to stay a nation based upon hard work and achievement is timelessly American. Let us pray it never gets out of style.

I would never in my lifetime give any government 40-50% of MY income. And I do not know a soul who would be willing to do so.