If you Truly Wanted Change - Why Vote Obama or Romney? - New England Patriots Forums

***IcyPatriot*** · 10-30-2012, 09:09 PM

Just asking ... many say they want change.

Many seem to think they are voting for change.

They are both in bed with the banks and Wall Street.

Both are in bed with major money movers and string pullers.

Obama was supposed to be change - he was Bush Light.

Bill Clinton actually was change - too bad Monica derailed him.

But back to the question ...

Is voting for Obama or Romney really going to change or improve anything in our system?

wistahpatsfan · 10-30-2012, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by IcyPatriot

Just asking ... many say they want change.

Many seem to think they are voting for change.

They are both in bed with the banks and Wall Street.

Both are in bed with major money movers and string pullers.

Obama was supposed to be change - he was Bush Light.

Bill Clinton actually was change - too bad Monica derailed him.

But back to the question ...

Is voting for Obama or Romney really going to change or improve anything in our system?

No. But that's neither here nor there (whatever that means).

Now get back to bickering and making up nonsense about some candidate or another and DO WHAT YOU"RE TOLD!

If you don't vote Red or Blue, all that left is Yellow, and you don't want to be called that. Well, there's Green too, but that's for sissies.

Hamar · 10-30-2012, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by IcyPatriot

Just asking ... many say they want change.

Many seem to think they are voting for change.

They are both in bed with the banks and Wall Street.

Both are in bed with major money movers and string pullers.

Obama was supposed to be change - he was Bush Light.

Bill Clinton actually was change - too bad Monica derailed him.

But back to the question ...

Is voting for Obama or Romney really going to change or improve anything in our system?

I really can not see why anyone would vote for Obama. He tells us over and over that he is ineffectual. Everything is the fault of the previous administration. Everything he wants to do to make things better is blocked by the republicans.

What is going to change? Will he go back in time and change the Bush admin? Will republicans all vanish?

No, none of that will happen so we are looking at 4 more years of excuses. Lets assume those excuses are fact... Why then re-elect someone that can do nothing to change where we are headed?

***Patters*** · 10-30-2012, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by IcyPatriot

Just asking ... many say they want change.

Many seem to think they are voting for change.

They are both in bed with the banks and Wall Street.

Both are in bed with major money movers and string pullers.

Obama was supposed to be change - he was Bush Light.

Bill Clinton actually was change - too bad Monica derailed him.

But back to the question ...

Is voting for Obama or Romney really going to change or improve anything in our system?

Obama did a lot more than Clinton. Clinton has no signature accomplishments other than the Family Leave Act. Obama passing health care and Wall Street Reforms were the first serious reversals to Reaganism. Obama's stimulus bills was one of the great achievements of liberal economics, saving tens of thousands of blue collar jobs and initiating a drive towards alternative energy that rivals Kennedy's space program. Obama's no Bush light in any respect.

Hamar · 10-30-2012, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Patters

Obama did a lot more than Clinton. Clinton has no signature accomplishments other than the Family Leave Act. Obama passing health care and Wall Street Reforms were the first serious reversals to Reaganism. Obama's stimulus bills was one of the great achievements of liberal economics, saving tens of thousands of blue collar jobs and initiating a drive towards alternative energy that rivals Kennedy's space program. Obama's no Bush light in any respect.

You are right there... Obama has doubled down on the worst Bush policies.

***IcyPatriot*** · 10-30-2012, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Patters

Obama did a lot more than Clinton. Clinton has no signature accomplishments other than the Family Leave Act. Obama passing health care and Wall Street Reforms were the first serious reversals to Reaganism. Obama's stimulus bills was one of the great achievements of liberal economics, saving tens of thousands of blue collar jobs and initiating a drive towards alternative energy that rivals Kennedy's space program. Obama's no Bush light in any respect.

You left out the best Clinton ... paying down the debt.

Obama's stimulus bills were funded by money created by paper and ink.

Health Care is still up in the air ... only reason they got it is because AARP screwed their membership.

The alternative energy has been a big zero so far ... China is killing us with no end in sight.

Wall Street reforms were good but they are far short of what is needed ... but it was good.

As for the stimulus bill ... have they spent 1/2 the money yet or are they still sitting on it?

The Brandon Five · 10-30-2012, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by IcyPatriot

You left out the best Clinton ... paying down the debt.

He left it out because it didn't happen. Thanks to the Enron-esque accounting of the Federal Government the Gross Debt never went down while we were running all those "surpluses".

See: Table 470 here:

http://www.census.gov/compendia/stat...es/12s0470.pdf

Code:

       Gross
Fiscal federal
Year   debt 
1992   4,001.8
1993   4,351.0
1994   4,643.3
1995   4,920.6
1996   5,181.5
1997   5,369.2
1998   5,478.2
1999   5,605.5
2000   5,628.7

***IcyPatriot*** · 10-30-2012, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by The Brandon Five

He left it out because it didn't happen. Thanks to the Enron-esque accounting of the Federal Government the Gross Debt never went down while we were running all those "surpluses".

See: Table 470 here:

http://www.census.gov/compendia/stat...es/12s0470.pdf

Code:

       Gross
Fiscal federal
Year   debt 
1992   4,001.8
1993   4,351.0
1994   4,643.3
1995   4,920.6
1996   5,181.5
1997   5,369.2
1998   5,478.2
1999   5,605.5
2000   5,628.7

I fell for a myth????

Titus Pullo · 10-30-2012, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by IcyPatriot

Just asking ... many say they want change.

Many seem to think they are voting for change.

They are both in bed with the banks and Wall Street.

Both are in bed with major money movers and string pullers.

Obama was supposed to be change - he was Bush Light.

Bill Clinton actually was change - too bad Monica derailed him.

But back to the question ...

Is voting for Obama or Romney really going to change or improve anything in our system?

And I'm just asking:

Do you expect an alternative to ever stand a chance when they're not invited to the TV debates?

Stein would have left them both looking foolish, just by being honest with America about what the real problems are.

***IcyPatriot*** · 10-30-2012, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Titus Pullo

And I'm just asking:

Do you expect an alternative to ever stand a chance when they're not invited to the TV debates?

Stein would have left them both looking foolish, just by being honest with America about what the real problems are.

I was curious to see the responses.

Stein would wipe them both ... she is so much more than just being Green.
she would provide grants and low interest loans for local green companies and she wants to renegotiate NAFTA!!!

Wants to end corporate subsidies and strengthen Medicare and social Security. She wants to end banks creating money

, restore Glass-Steagall (sorry), wants to reform healthcare through Medicare for all (I love that idea), repeal the Patriot Act (Love that), I entirely love her foreign policy, she is in line with my thinking on immigration (let them stay here) ... I could go on and on.

I think they could be a breathe of fresh air myself and they would actually make Congress and the Senate work for a change. They would be forced through public opinion to tackle the tough issues instead of tabling them.

But we see so much Obama and Romney talk here and I think they will change little to nothing. Obama maybe a bit better on foreign policy and Romney perhaps a bit better on the economy - but no big swing either way regardless of who wins. Thus I was hoping for responses.