Romney Avoids Taxes via Loophole Cutting Mormon Donations - Page 4 - New England Patriots Forums

Holy Diver · 10-30-2012, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolfpack

Well let's see if the article you quoted supports your contention that it's "SUPER shady".

While Romney’s tax avoidance is legal and common among high-net-worth individuals

Nope!

seriously?

Annnnnnd the rest of the paragraph you cherry picked:

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.... it has become an issue in the campaign. President Barack Obama attacked him in their second debate for paying “lower tax rates than somebody who makes a lot less.”

In this instance, Romney used the tax-exempt status of a charity -- the Mormon Church, according to a 2007 filing -- to defer taxes for more than 15 years. At the same time he is benefiting, the trust will probably leave the church with less than what current law requires, according to tax returns obtained by Bloomberg this month through a Freedom of Information Act request.

yeah....donating money to a charity, and making $$$ off the top while the contribution to the charity gets less and less over time. I'd consider that shady at best, and downright evil at worst. Congress outlawed this, CONGRESS considered it to be shady...

thats how f-ing shady this is...

Holy Diver · 10-30-2012, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolfpack

But you have no problem supporting a guy whose church activities involve worshipping and idolizing a man who openly and unapologetically professes his hatred of America.

when congress makes free speech illegal we can talk. I imagine Reverend Wright's words would be grandfathered in though, and you'd have to support them as being okay.

and....

I know it might be news to YOU, but...

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Obama denounced the statements in question, but after critics continued to press the issue of his relationship with Wright he gave a speech titled "A More Perfect Union", in which he denounced Wright's remarks, but did not disown him as a person. The controversy began to fade, but was renewed in late April when Wright made a series of media appearances, including an interview on Bill Moyers Journal, a speech at the NAACP and a speech at the National Press Club.[31] After the last of these, Obama spoke more forcefully against his former pastor, saying that he was "outraged" and "saddened" by his behavior, and in May he resigned his membership in the church.

but by all means...believe he "worships" him...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremiah_Wright

***Wolfpack*** · 10-30-2012, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Holy Diver

seriously?

Annnnnnd the rest of the paragraph you cherry picked:

yeah....donating money to a charity, and making $$$ off the top while the contribution to the charity gets less and less over time. I'd consider that shady at best, and downright evil at worst. Congress outlawed this, CONGRESS considered it to be shady...

thats how f-ing shady this is...

Speaking of cherry picking, you conveniently ignore the fact that, according to your own article, the original value of this trust was about $750,000 to $1,250,000.

So let's be clear: Romney has broken no laws, he is not accused of breaking any laws, and he has not acted unethically in any way whatsoever. He has given MILLIONS AND MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of dollars to the Mormon church, and you're obsessing over a $750,000 trust, which paid Romney all of $36,000 in 2011?

Really, HD? Really??

***Wolfpack*** · 10-30-2012, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Holy Diver

when congress makes free speech illegal we can talk. I imagine Reverend Wright's words would be grandfathered in though, and you'd have to support them as being okay.

Oh, so now you're concerned about the law. When Romney does something which is 100% legal, you say it's "SUPER shady." When Obama does something that is 100% legal, that's perfectly ok.

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Originally Posted by Holy Diver

but by all means...believe he "worships" him...

Yes, Obama worships Wright. ALways has, always will. Wright married Barack and Michelle, and he baptized Sasha and Melia. Obama spoke glowingly of Wright many times, including in his own book. (Tough to say you're misquoted in a book you wrote, ya know?)

Not once - not one single instance - did Obama criticize Wright in any way, shape or form, period, end of discussion, until Wright's anti-American comments went viral. Then, for the sake of political expediency, Obama backtracked as best he could.

I guess you really can fool some of the people all of the time.

Holy Diver · 10-30-2012, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolfpack

Speaking of cherry picking, you conveniently ignore the fact that, according to your own article, the original value of this trust was about $750,000 to $1,250,000.

So let's be clear: Romney has broken no laws, he is not accused of breaking any laws, and he has not acted unethically in any way whatsoever. He has given MILLIONS AND MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of dollars to the Mormon church, and you're obsessing over a $750,000 trust, which paid Romney all of $36,000 in 2011?

Really, HD? Really??

Really.

Where do I even begin.....The guy who wrote the words you quote dissagrees with you, you are reading every 3 words and ignoruing some by choice. his trust was increased because he has been jacking the tax exempt status of the church to create a revenue stream of 8%, the contribution to teh church has gone DOWN as his trust has gone UP. The article is quite clear about that.

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Romney’s CRUT, which is only a small part of the $250 million that Romney’s campaign cites as his net worth, has been paying him 8 percent of its assets each year. As the Romneys have received these payments, the money that will potentially be left for charity has declined from at least $750,000 in 2001 to $421,203 at the end of 2011.

your definition of ETHICS is a bit sub standard. Not all things that are illegal are ethical. If skimming a profiit offf of charitable donations is ethical, why did congress make it illegal?

Its not shocking that Romney didn't want people to know that he profits from his charitable donations, and will eventually leave them with ZERO, as he collects tax free $$.

Its also not shocking that you are cool with this.

***Wolfpack*** · 10-30-2012, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Holy Diver

Really.

Where do I even begin.....The guy who wrote the words you quote dissagrees with you, you are reading every 3 words and ignoruing some by choice. his trust was increased because he has been jacking the tax exempt status of the church to create a revenue stream of 8%, the contribution to teh church has gone DOWN as his trust has gone UP. The article is quite clear about that.

your definition of ETHICS is a bit sub standard. Not all things that are illegal are ethical. If skimming a profiit offf of charitable donations is ethical, why did congress make it illegal?

Its not shocking that Romney didn't want people to know that he profits from his charitable donations, and will eventually leave them with ZERO, as he collects tax free $$.

Its also not shocking that you are cool with this.

The guy gives MILLIONS AND MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of dollars to the Mormon church, and you're complaining about his drawing down $300,000 from some trust which he did in a completely legal and ethical fashion?

Really, HD?? Really??!?

Hamar · 10-30-2012, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Holy Diver

when congress makes free speech illegal we can talk. I imagine Reverend Wright's words would be grandfathered in though, and you'd have to support them as being okay.

and....

I know it might be news to YOU, but...

but by all means...believe he "worships" him...

Jeremiah Wright - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So for 20 years Obama had no problem with Wright's message? He was married by the guy, had a child baptized... But, when it might hurt his political career then he disavows his connection to Wright? Wow, way to show character

Holy Diver · 10-30-2012, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolfpack

Oh, so now you're concerned about the law. When Romney does something which is 100% legal, you say it's "SUPER shady." When Obama does something that is 100% legal, that's perfectly ok.

Yes, Obama worships Wright. ALways has, always will. Wright married Barack and Michelle, and he baptized Sasha and Melia. Obama spoke glowingly of Wright many times, including in his own book. (Tough to say you're misquoted in a book you wrote, ya know?)

Not once - not one single instance - did Obama criticize Wright in any way, shape or form, period, end of discussion, until Wright's anti-American comments went viral. Then, for the sake of political expediency, Obama backtracked as best he could.

I guess you really can fool some of the people all of the time.

okay, bro...I can point out quotes from Obama swhere he DENOUCED, and says things like he is saddened, and OUTRAGED, and you can claim that those things don't ammount to a 'single instance' ... I'd call that 3

your claim is false on all levels. It only exists in YOUR MIND.

***Wolfpack*** · 10-30-2012, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Holy Diver

okay, bro...I can point out quotes from Obama swhere he DENOUCED, and says things like he is saddened, and OUTRAGED, and you can claim that those things don't ammount to a 'single instance' ... I'd call that 3

your claim is false on all levels. It only exists in YOUR MIND.

What part of "until Wright's anti-American comments went viral. " do you not understand?

Holy Diver · 10-30-2012, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Hamar

So for 20 years Obama had no problem with Wright's message? He was married by the guy, had a child baptized... But, when it might hurt his political career then he disavows his connection to Wright? Wow, way to show character

Is Paul Ryan an athiest?

because for years he credits Ayan Rand for shaping his views in public service...

Is Paul Ryan a hypocrite for using Social Security to assist him in college, while the person he credits for shaping his views in public service doesnt believe in social programs....

cool attempt though