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Old 09-24-2012, 06:33 PM   #1
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The conclusion comes to us from an newly updated study by professors Peter Lindert of the University of California - Davis and Jeffrey Williamson of Harvard.
Scraping together data from an array of historical resources, the duo have written a fascinating exploration of early American incomes, arguing that, on the eve of the Revolutionary War, wealth was distributed more evenly across the 13 colonies than anywhere else in the world that we have record of.
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Building what we call social tables, this paper quantifies the level and inequality of American incomes from 1774 to 1860. In 1774 the American colonies had average incomes exceeding those of the Mother Country, even when slave households are included in the aggregate. Between 1774 and 1790, this income advantage over Britain was lost, due to the severe dislocation caused by the fight for Independence.

Then between 1790 and 1860 US income per capita grew even faster than previous scholars have estimated. We also find that the South was initially much richer than the North on the eve of Revolution, but then suffered a severe reversal of fortune, so that by 1840 its white population was already poorer than free Northerners.

In terms of inequality, our estimates suggest that American colonists had much more equal incomes than did households in England and Wales around 1774. Indeed, New England and the Middle Colonies appear to have been more egalitarian than anywhere else in the measureable world. Income inequality rose dramatically between 1774 and 1860, especially in the South.
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Old 09-24-2012, 07:44 PM   #2
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But as Chrystia Freeland has noted, the founding fathers evidently formed their ideas about democracy in a social context very different than our own, when distinctions of wealth simply weren't as sharp. It's possible they expected an equal society to remain considerably more equal.
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So the founding fathers promised us income "equality"? In what document did they promise us this "right"?

I'm confused....since when does what someone else makes in terms of monetary compensation mean that I can't make the money I want to make?

If someone who is rich now acquires more wealth by investing his/her money, does that stop me from making money too? Does that stop me from coming up with a good idea and starting a business?

This "income inequality" smoke screen is Socialist rhetoric designed to "justify" the Socialist agenda of stealing money from the rich (also known as "income redistribution") and then giving it to special interest groups associated with the Democratic party.

"Income inequality" is what you make of it. If you don't like that your neighbor has a better car than you have, go out and start your own business and make money and buy the car.
Why exactly is your neighbor wrong for working hard, making good choices, and then cashing in on that hard work and good choices?
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Old 09-24-2012, 11:49 PM   #4
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So the founding fathers promised us income "equality"? In what document did they promise us this "right"?
I don't see the word promise anywhere ... where do you see it?

You read 2 posts and then went in some different direction for what reason?

It was just a study ... you know ... as in history ... it's not a lecture.

I didn't even state if I agreed or disagreed ... I just thought it was interesting.
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I don't see the word promise anywhere ... where do you see it?

You read 2 posts and then went in some different direction for what reason?

It was just a study ... you know ... as in history ... it's not a lecture.

I didn't even state if I agreed or disagreed ... I just thought it was interesting.

Ok, well I think the article has an obvious agenda and that agenda is income redistribution.....or RobinHoodism.
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Ok, well I think the article has an obvious agenda and that agenda is income redistribution.....or RobinHoodism.
So now you change direction because you really didn't read anything about it to begin with. It was a study that made some corrections vs previous studies.

Did you read the end footnote?

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*To be extremely explicit, please don't interpret anything in this article as suggesting that American slavery was anything less than horrific. The paper only suggests that on a strictly dollars and cents basis, income was skewed less towards the rich during the colonial era than it is today.
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So now you change direction because you really didn't read anything about it to begin with. It was a study that made some corrections vs previous studies.

Did you read the end footnote?


I'm pretty sure I wasn't changing direction.
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I'm pretty sure I wasn't changing direction.
I'm still trying to figure out where you saw the word promise and where the study says you cannot make what you want to make just for starters. Actually I cannot find anything in post #3 that is based on anything from post #1 and #2.

Nowhere left to go ... it's 2 different topics ... you will have to start your own based on post #3 because that is known as a hijack around here.
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um....yeah.....I don't think I tried to "hijack" your thread. I think I was at the very least reasonably on topic.

But ok, I won't post in this thread going forward. "Problem" solved.
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Income inequality rose dramatically between 1774 and 1860, especially in the South.
I'll bet. I think the closing statement gives lie to the premise of the thread title, no? That growth in inequality was likely a direct result of the growth of the slave population in the South.

As the article states, free states (North) had lower inequality. How do those figures show that inequality was lower under slavery?

This predated big corporations, so I can see how the differences were less extreme then. As I have said elsewhere, big corporations and big government exacerbate inequality. We need to level the playing field so that more small and medium-sized businesses can compete. The big company/lobbyist/bureaucrat nexus is killing our competitiveness and social cohesion.

I'm with PatriotsReign: get rid of public companies.
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