"Don’t Fear All Islamists, Fear Salafis" - New England Patriots Forums

***IcyPatriot*** · 09-15-2012, 06:02 PM

Written August 19, 2012 ... by Robin Wright ... and he nailed it.

Some think the Salafis are/were behind the embassy attacks.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/20/op...r-salafis.html

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As the peddlers vented, prayers ended at the whitewashed mosque across the street. Among the faithful were Salafis, ultraconservative Sunni Muslims vying to define the new order according to seventh-century religious traditions rather than earthly realities. For years, many Salafis — “salaf” means predecessors — had avoided politics and embraced autocrats as long as they were Muslims. But over the past eight months, clusters of worshipers across the Middle East have morphed into powerful Salafi movements that are tapping into the disillusionment and disorder of transitions.

A new Salafi Crescent, radiating from the Persian Gulf sheikdoms into the Levant and North Africa, is one of the most underappreciated and disturbing byproducts of the Arab revolts. In varying degrees, these populist puritans are moving into the political space once occupied by jihadi militants, who are now less in vogue. Both are fundamentalists who favor a new order modeled on early Islam. Salafis are not necessarily fighters, however. Many disavow violence.

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Salafis go much further in restricting political and personal life than the larger and more modern Islamist parties that have won electoral pluralities in Egypt, Tunisia and Morocco since October. For most Arabs, the rallying cry is justice, both economic and political. For Salafis, it is also about a virtue that is inflexible and enforceable.

***IcyPatriot*** · 09-15-2012, 06:08 PM

We have not learned a thing since Iran/Contra - being in Bed with Saddam and being in bed with Al-Qaeda - etc... in the end we always lose and we always continue to spend.

OpEdNews - Article: Brother Obama, Where Art Thou?

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The strategic target of the Salafi-jihadis who killed the US ambassador in Benghazi was to torpedo the (already shaky) Obama-Muslim Brotherhood alliance.

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The Salafi-jihadis -- with whom Washington, London and Paris were unashamedly in bed during their humanitarian bombing campaign -- are based in Cyrenaica, eastern Libya. Some have come from Iraq. Some are shuttling back and forth to and from Syria, aiming to destroy yet one more secular Arab republic.

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The Obama administration was forced into this dead-end because -- foolishly, one might stress -- it has been playing the sectarian card, aligning itself with the medieval House of Saud and cunning mini-superpower Qatar, key protector of the MB, but also with all sorts of Salafi-jihadism, especially in Syria. All this to ultimately defeat the self-described "axis of resistance" -- Iran-Syria-Hezbollah -- whatever it takes. It takes facing repeated instances of blowback all across MENA and beyond.

***IcyPatriot*** · 09-15-2012, 06:11 PM

Islamists seek power through protests - News from USA TODAY

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Wittes says the USA has become a convenient political football in a stuggle for power in the Arab world that was set in motion by the democratic openness that President Obama and former president George W. Bush have tried to usher in to the region.

With democratic governments now in Iraq, Egypt, Tunisia and Libya, and a new government in Yemen, “Power has opened up and there’s an argument in these countries about what kind of society they’re going to be,” she says.

The Salafis want to compel people to live in a way that emulates the life of Mohammed and his followers and want to prevent an open society with a range of politicalviews, Wittes says. “There are others competing on the other side.”

Salafi leaders are using the opportunity to gain followers and influence at the expense of the more moderate Muslim Brotherhood, which til now has been the greatest political beneficiary of the uprisings that have shaken the Arab world during the past two years, Phares says.
The ultra-conservative Salafis who have whipped up public sentiments over the video are sincerely angry, but the demonstrations are also “a way to stick a finger in the eye of the current government,”Wittes says.

This truly is a mess Obama helped create ... Bush started it ... Obama will have to fix it.

This truly is a mess Obama helped create ... Bush started it ... Obama will have to fix it.

Sammy had it right
Should be our governments motto by now.

***patsfan13*** · 09-15-2012, 06:22 PM

The Salifi's have been working with the MB:

Nour party coordinates election strategy with Muslim Brotherhood | Egypt Independent

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A Salafi Nour Party leader said members met last week with the Muslim Brotherhood’s Freedom and Justice Party to coordinate candidate nominations ahead of upcoming parliamentary elections. However, the Freedom and Justice party denied the two groups were collaborating.

During the Thursday meeting, leaders from both parties agreed to support the most prominent Islamist candidate running for a given seat and pull the weaker candidates from the race so Islamists wouldn't split the vote, Nader Bakkar, a member of the Nour Party’s Supreme Committee, told Al-Masry Al-Youm.

Wonder if the NY Times vetted this article with the WH to help Obama:

NYTimes Columnist Sent Article Draft to White House's Valerie Jarrett for Comments Before Publishing | The Weekly Standard

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The latest Bob Woodward books reveals that Peter Orszag, at the time a columnist for the New York Times, sent a draft of an article to White House senior adviser Valerie Jarrett for review and comments before publishing.

"Orszag continued his star turn in the op-ed spotlight and a month later drafted a column to appear October 20, 2010, on the sensitive subject of Obamacare," writes Woodward of Orszag, the former OMB director. "He wanted to focus on one of its weaknesses. The health care legislation ‘does many things right,’ he wrote. ‘But it does almost nothing to reform medical malpractice laws.’"

Woodward adds, "Should he alert the White House? [Orszag] wondered. Better not to surprise them. With some discomfort, because a columnist is supposed to speak for himself, not his former employer, Orszag sent his draft to Valerie Jarrett. It was about three days before the column was scheduled to run. Here’s a draft, he wrote in an email to her. Let me know if you have any comments."

Nice coincidence since the posting history of Bacile suggest HE may be a Salafist:

Were “Sam Bacile” and “The Innocence of Muslims” Part of a Salafi Plot All Along? | FrontPage Magazine

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Sam Bacile, didn’t do much with his YouTube account, besides uploading two clips from the “Innocence of Muslims” film, but he also commented in Arabic on an Egyptian video discussing his movie, and last month he had favorited a video from the Egyptian Salafist Al Nour Party featuring Al Nour Party spokesman Nader Bakkar attacking Ibrahim Issa and defending the Salafis.
A video defending Salafism is an odd choice for someone who claims to think Islam is a cancer to add to his favorites.
The Salafi connections don’t end there. The movie was picked up and denounced by Al-Nas, a popular Egyptian Salafi satellite channel. The wave of protests was then organized and reportedly carried out by Salafis.

Wonder what the feds picked up when they interviewed Bacile yesterday.....???????????

With the administration touting this film as the issue what would it say about their competence if they are being played by the Salsfi's?

***IcyPatriot*** · 09-15-2012, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by patsfan13

With the administration touting this film as the issue what would it say about their competence
if they are being played by the Salsfi's?

We seriously got played ... the media is focusing on Romney's reaction when it should be focusing on putting Obama and his administration on public trial through the media for their blunder. Romney's name should not even be brought up right now - he is not the issue.

Hamar · 09-15-2012, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by patsfan13

The Salifi's have been working with the MB:

Nour party coordinates election strategy with Muslim Brotherhood | Egypt Independent

Wonder if the NY Times vetted this article with the WH to help Obama:

NYTimes Columnist Sent Article Draft to White House's Valerie Jarrett for Comments Before Publishing | The Weekly Standard

Nice coincidence since the posting history of Bacile suggest HE may be a Salafist:

Were “Sam Bacile” and “The Innocence of Muslims” Part of a Salafi Plot All Along? | FrontPage Magazine

Wonder what the feds picked up when they interviewed Bacile yesterday.....???????????

With the administration touting this film as the issue what would it say about their competence if they are being played by the Salsfi's?

My guess is that we may never know. Unless they can connect Bacile with radical Christians, then it will be big news.

***IcyPatriot*** · 09-15-2012, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Hamar

My guess is that we may never know. Unless they can connect Bacile with radical Christians, then it will be big news.

Yup ... also ... the cynic in me ... sorry I cannot help it.

Why was security so lax on 9/11 ... just like the original 9/11?

That seriously needs to be explored ... hard to fathom all our experts went brain dead.

***patsfan13*** · 09-15-2012, 08:49 PM

The media won't look into this, it doesn't fit a narrative that is favorable to Obama.

They will look to make Romeny and the idiot in Fl the issue.

Triumph · 09-15-2012, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by IcyPatriot

That seriously needs to be explored ... hard to fathom all our experts went brain dead.

Not if you consider Obama an expert.

***Nikolai*** · 09-16-2012, 12:04 AM

We were never in bed with Al Qaeda, but we sure didn't mind if a few Arabs wanted to run around Afghanistan shooting Soviet and communist Afghan soldiers.

Salafism has been around for a long time. It is essentially a very old form of literalist teaching that was revived in response to European imperial pressure in the Middle East. It's not new and, as long as the US remains involved "imperially" in the Middle East, it's not going away, nor will the US stray far from the crosshairs of Salafist Jihadis.

That's just life when projecting power in the region.