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Obama did not apologize, but keep reading those blogs...
Does it make sense that an ex-con "coptic christian" who was from Egypt, make a film that probably puts the coptic christians in Egypt in more danger????
I can understand his disdain for muslim extremism, but his extremism puts fellow coptic christians in harms way...
At least people in the West are coming around on the "he's a Jew" myth.
As for Obama, it's tough to criticize someone in his position. There's no easy answer from his perspective. He's got to find the smart path, somewhere between "sorry" and "bring it on". It's a pretty large list of options, with a pretty diverse array of consequences.
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At least people in the West are coming around on the "he's a Jew" myth.
As for Obama, it's tough to criticize someone in his position. There's no easy answer from his perspective. He's got to find the smart path, somewhere between "sorry" and "bring it on". It's a pretty large list of options, with a pretty diverse array of consequences.
Just as an fyi...."America Does NOT Apologize" is NOT a dig on Obama and I am not referring to him.
That statement just means we do not apologize as Americans for the act of one individual upon our soil.
We take back Obama's apology 100% and regret he spoke those words.
Can you provide a link to what words we're taking back? Or more importantly, where are you getting your information? Have you missed the hundreds of articles that criticized Rmoney for his nonsense claim about Obama apologizing? Have you bothered to look at the facts? You, who call other threads a waste of time, now proceed to start a thread based on propaganda from Rmoney? DOCUMENT WHAT YOU'RE POSTING. SHOW US THAT YOU'RE NOT SIMPLY POSTING RIGHT-WING PROPAGANDA. WHAT ARE THE WORDS THAT WE SHOULD TAKE BACK?
This is the statement that was released by the Cairo embassy shortly before the riots occurred in either country. The statement that Rmoney called an apology was not an apology, but a statement of American principles intended to defuse passions. If anything the statement should have been made sooner:
"The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others."
If you were an American in a Muslim country, would you condemn those Arab governments that apologized for people dancing in the street after 9/11 for (1) apologizing and (2) by apologizing, using your "logic," implying that freedom of assembly was wrong. Did you condemn Bush for apologizing to Muslims for Koran burnings in the US, or did you see it as most intelligent people saw it, as a sensible statement in order to calm passions and protect American interests?
But again, my main complaint with your thread is that you don't state what words we should take back or what apology you're talking about.
Can you provide a link to what words we're taking back? Or more importantly, where are you getting your information? Have you missed the hundreds of articles that criticized Rmoney for his nonsense claim about Obama apologizing? Have you bothered to look at the facts? You, who call other threads a waste of time, now proceed to start a thread based on propaganda from Rmoney? DOCUMENT WHAT YOU'RE POSTING. SHOW US THAT YOU'RE NOT SIMPLY POSTING RIGHT-WING PROPAGANDA. WHAT ARE THE WORDS THAT WE SHOULD TAKE BACK?
This is the statement that was released by the Cairo embassy shortly before the riots occurred in either country. The statement that Rmoney called an apology was not an apology, but a statement of American principles intended to defuse passions. If anything the statement should have been made sooner:
"The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others."
If you were an American in a Muslim country, would you condemn those Arab governments that apologized for people dancing in the street after 9/11 for (1) apologizing and (2) by apologizing, using your "logic," implying that freedom of assembly was wrong. Did you condemn Bush for apologizing to Muslims for Koran burnings in the US, or did you see it as most intelligent people saw it, as a sensible statement in order to calm passions and protect American interests?
But again, my main complaint with your thread is that you don't state what words we should take back or what apology you're talking about.
You didn't need to post a novel....you and Niki made valid points, so I re-worded my OP.
As you know, I'm very flexible...
__________________ "No one walking this earth knows what is truly righteous"
Can you provide a link to what words we're taking back? Or more importantly, where are you getting your information? Have you missed the hundreds of articles that criticized Rmoney for his nonsense claim about Obama apologizing? Have you bothered to look at the facts? You, who call other threads a waste of time, now proceed to start a thread based on propaganda from Rmoney? DOCUMENT WHAT YOU'RE POSTING. SHOW US THAT YOU'RE NOT SIMPLY POSTING RIGHT-WING PROPAGANDA. WHAT ARE THE WORDS THAT WE SHOULD TAKE BACK?
This is the statement that was released by the Cairo embassy shortly before the riots occurred in either country. The statement that Rmoney called an apology was not an apology, but a statement of American principles intended to defuse passions. If anything the statement should have been made sooner:
"The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions. Today, the 11th anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States, Americans are honoring our patriots and those who serve our nation as the fitting response to the enemies of democracy. Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy. We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others."
If you were an American in a Muslim country, would you condemn those Arab governments that apologized for people dancing in the street after 9/11 for (1) apologizing and (2) by apologizing, using your "logic," implying that freedom of assembly was wrong. Did you condemn Bush for apologizing to Muslims for Koran burnings in the US, or did you see it as most intelligent people saw it, as a sensible statement in order to calm passions and protect American interests?
But again, my main complaint with your thread is that you don't state what words we should take back or what apology you're talking about.
Romney's response was knee-jerk, self serving and inappropriate. That said it feels like the mood that's hanging out there right now is that we brought this on. I can't help but get the feeling that our weak response has done little to diffuse tensions and has actually allowed for some "serves ya right" justification. The statements are too diplomatic in my opinion. The statements made sure to condemn the film first and the attacks second. Even the White House had "jitters" about the statement according to the article in the link you posted....and without a stronger condemnation of the murders, free from insisting that "our guys abused their free speech" included in it, it seems like we are saying, "our bad" That is what is left out there for the mobs over there to chew on.
Romney's response was knee-jerk, self serving and inappropriate. That said it feels like the mood that's hanging out there right now is that we brought this on. I can't help but get the feeling that our weak response has done little to diffuse tensions and has actually allowed for some "serves ya right" justification. The statements are too diplomatic in my opinion. The statements made sure to condemn the film first and the attacks second. Even the White House had "jitters" about the statement according to the article in the link you posted....and without a stronger condemnation of the murders, free from insisting that "our guys abused their free speech" included in it, it seems like we are saying, "our bad" That is what is left out there for the mobs over there to chew on.
But, the initial statement came before the riots and murders, so was likely intended as a step towards diffusing anger.
Now, the US which is working to build good relations with the new Egypt and Libya needs to proceed carefully. We cannot and should not disrespect their sovereignty unless those governments clearly turn against us and side with the terrorists. Right now, Libya and Egypt (as of this morning) seem to be doing the right thing and recognizing the violence as a criminal act.
Romney's response was knee-jerk, self serving and inappropriate. That said it feels like the mood that's hanging out there right now is that we brought this on. I can't help but get the feeling that our weak response has done little to diffuse tensions and has actually allowed for some "serves ya right" justification. The statements are too diplomatic in my opinion. The statements made sure to condemn the film first and the attacks second. Even the White House had "jitters" about the statement according to the article in the link you posted....and without a stronger condemnation of the murders, free from insisting that "our guys abused their free speech" included in it, it seems like we are saying, "our bad" That is what is left out there for the mobs over there to chew on.
Bingo! The movie shouldn't even be mentioned by our politicians and certainly not by Obama.
America did nothing wrong and we need to make that perfectly clear. We had nothing to do with the murders and riots in Egypt and Libya.
Nice post.
__________________ "No one walking this earth knows what is truly righteous"
Last edited by PatriotsReign; 09-14-2012 at 06:37 AM..
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Hey Arab World...America Does NOT Apologize
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