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Old 08-18-2012, 09:53 AM   #21
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I actually think Capital Gains taxes are too low, and corporate tax rates too high. A better rate would be 20-25% for both. CG I'd two tier, with a 20% rate up to $X aimed strictly at low to middle income investors, and a 25% rate for everything thereafter. Corporate taxes I'd peg in the 20-25% range as well. Look, it's expensive to do business in the US, versus other countries, and one way to make us more attractive, is by lowering what already is, one of the higher corporate rates in the world. That's my 2 cents.
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Old 08-18-2012, 09:58 AM   #22
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I actually think Capital Gains taxes are too low, and corporate tax rates too high. A better rate would be 20-25% for both. CG I'd two tier, with a 20% rate up to $X aimed strictly at low to middle income investors, and a 25% rate for everything thereafter. Corporate taxes I'd peg in the 20-25% range as well. Look, it's expensive to do business in the US, versus other countries, and one way to make us more attractive, is by lowering what already is, one of the higher corporate rates in the world. That's my 2 cents.

I am all for lowering the corporate tax rate but if you tax capital gains higher that removes millions and millions of dollars in liquidity at Wall Street. In the end it would harm the average Americans pensions / retirement money as Wall Street adjusted to less liquidity.
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I think the problem is that half of us are talking in generalizations, while the other half are talking about Romney specifically, and those conversations are intersecting in a confusing fashion.

All I'm trying to say is that this "13%" figure that liberals have been throwing at us incessantly for weeks now is highly misleading, and deliberately so. Romney's 13% figure is much more like 50% when you factor in the double taxation. And that's why I don't get terribly outraged at the idea of lowering - or even doing away with - our long term capital gains tax. We need investment in this country, and we need to stop punishing the investors so heavy handedly.
I agree that the 13% can be misleading, depending on how it's used.

We have no idea what the taxation really is because we don't know what that 13% is made up of -- and even if we did, that would take quite a bit of legwork that I doubt would be very enlightening anyway.

I'm sure Bain structures most of its deals in highly tax advantaged ways, so I'd be skeptical of a 50% estimate.

When it comes to capital gains in general, I disagree. While I think the tax code needs to be simplified greatly, I think that should include investors paying the same as workers. As a business owner, I can't make the argument that I should pay a lower rate on selling my business than me employees do working at it. (where there is an argument, IMO, is on the 1-time nature of a business sale, which is often a large but atypical form of capital gain. That's where carry forwards can legitimately come into play, though some people would probably call those loopholes if the political argument suited them)
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Once again: a "true flat tax" would be naive. You need progressivity in your tax code. "Since this has been recognized for several thousand years, it is a profoundly conservative principle," as I heard it put recently.


Why does taxes 'need' to be progressive?


I didn't see that mentioned in our Constitution.
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