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Puns vs. stereotypes w/re: Elizabeth Warren and Native Americans
Moderator's note: This thread was cut from the Contest thread because that thread does not allow commentary. Although this thread starts off with being about moderation, it gradually evolves into a debate on stereotyping, specifically with regard to Patradomus' choice of puns for Elizabeth Warren
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we need new unbiased mods...you cant be a mod AND comment on postes as well. It just does not work.
I was just removed from a thread because i did not like what another poster said. It wqs rasist and should not be tolerated...yet i am removed. Perfect example of why Mods cant contribute to threads...they are biased.
Last edited by Patters; 08-11-2012 at 08:13 AM..
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we need new unbiased mods...you cant be a mod AND comment on postes as well. It just does not work.
I was just removed from a thread because i did not like what another poster said. It wqs rasist and should not be tolerated...yet i am removed. Perfect example of why Mods cant contribute to threads...they are biased.
You personally attacked aother poster (not me), for this you were removed from the thread.
BTW try to learn to spell racist if you want to play the race card.
The only person being attacked was Elizabeth Warren. No Native American was denegrated or stereotyped.
Warren posed as a Native American, if you wanted to be outraged direct your outrage at her for posing as a NAtive American for personal gain.
If moderators weren't allowed to comment on threads there would be no mods, it's not liek we get paid to do this.
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That whole post was a stereotype of American Indians. It was a poor attempt to portray Elizabeth Warren as the worst kind of Indian. The kind that speaks in grunts and broken sentences, using terms not heard since the 1700s unless they were meant to be derogatory.
If I were to atttempt to mocking Allen West and said something like, "Oh, massa', my people's is jus' poor little pickaninny nigras, theys don' know nuttin' 'bout no readin' 'n writin'. They be da stupidest niggas, massa, please don' gives dem no mo' free stuff, massa, dey's too stupid to know what to do with it, massa," I'd surely expect that post to be removed.
It's a study in the slippery slope stereotyping argument. The parallel for the oh-so-clever sobriquet "Lieawatha" would be if a candidate's name was Sam Johnson, and the controversy were about claiming a black ancestor, and the clever poster posted over and over again about "Sambo Johnson." Of course it would be offensive. Or perhaps you'll reply that Sambo and Hiawatha aren't equivalent, because the story of "Little Black Sambo" is already derogatory, while "Hiawatha" isn't. Then think about the Sam Johnson candidate being called "Samuel L Jackson Johnson." It's still trying to call up a stereotype to both represent a race and denigrate the target. You can imagine the clever and to-the-point conversation that would follow. If you're lucky it would just include things like "royale with cheese," but I doubt it.
No wonder you ended up with people doing 1950s grunt-talk to represent Native Americans, and then claims that racist westerns have set the precedent for what's okay. I await the explanation of why the Klan is okay based on Birth of a Nation. Citing racist films to justify racist posts is the most absurd tactic I've seen here for some time.
Don't know if this is a thread-crossing discussion or not, but this is the Rules thread, not the contest thread.
I can't tell the difference.
It amazes me how we, the good ol' U.S. of A., have come to the point that we have today. While we have a constitutional right to fee speech, we have allowed one radical group to control what is said publicly and to silence opposing views.
If someone calls a conservative group or person a name, then they're simply expressing their constitutionally protected right of free speech. If that same person is critical of a liberal view, then they could easily be called out as racist, bigoted, homophobic (a new word btw), and a whole host of other hateful names.
It's as if liberals feel that they have a right to not be offended, while at the same time offending anyone or anything they want. In my opinion, that's the height of hypocrisy, and this board, like all others really, is the poster child for that backward mentality.
I used to drink Coke for quite a few years, mostly because that is what was fed to us here in Taxachusetts. But then the recipe for Coke was drastically changed and I came to like the taste of Pepsi much, much more. I will never go back to the awful, bitter taste of Coke again.
Sadly, I also believe that we won't be able to settle our differences in this current political climate. As a society we need to be talking more openly about all subjects, and not less.