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Old 08-07-2012, 06:47 PM   #1
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Personally, I think The Citizen United decision is going to be the worst thing to ever happen to American politics and American people.

I don't know if it's absolutely true that the candidates have no control over the ads that a Super Pac airs - I hope it is because the ad that's got me feeling like puking is sickening in it's sly dishonesty - but I wish it wasn't because it seems like if someone is going to air a commerical in your name it ought to be something you approve of.

And this is just the beginning...it's a long way to November.

The pro-Obama super PAC Priorities USA Action began airing a commercial today in which a former steel worker essentially blames Bain and Romney for his wife dying.

It's a sad story, Bain buys company, company declares bankruptcy, man gets laid off, man loses family's health care, man's wife becomes ill with breast cancer and dies due to lack of insurance.

It's sad. It is.

It's also true.

To a point....but not much of one.

The back story, in a nutshell:

Bain bought the company in the late 90's. They declared bankruptcy and fired their workers in 2001. The man's wife had health insurance through her employer until 2004 when she, too, either lost or quit her job. She got sick in 2006, was taken to a hospital and diagnosed with pneumonia and Stage 4 breast cancer and she died 22 days later.

But that was 5 years after her husbnd lost his job and two years after she lost her own employer sponsored health insurance.

There comes a point where responsibility ends. There are a million ways Bain could have been at fault had she been diagnosed with cancer shortly before or after her husband lost his job - but not 5 years later and certainly not when she had health insurance of her own in that time frame.

It's a totally bogus ad - and it's not going to help Obama, it's going to hurt him.

Some high ranking democrat needs to go bi!chslap Priorities USA and tell them they need to make honesty their No. 1 priority.

In Obama super-PAC ad, worker ties wife

Woman mentioned in Priorities ad died in '06 - POLITICO.com
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Old 08-07-2012, 06:59 PM   #2
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Heard something the other day that the Koch's and their associated superpacs have contributed and raised more money in this election, than all that McCain/Palin raised in the last election.
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Hate to tell you Mrs. PF Axelrod loves this stuff. it's how Obama got to the White House ... he's been doing this type of stuff behind the scenes since Obama won as state senator. Axelrod is such a piece of crap he makes Carville look like an angel.
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Old 08-07-2012, 07:42 PM   #4
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Axelrod had Divorce Custody records unsealed against the wishes of both parties a couple of times to smear people this is SOP. as Icy says.

But since Obama had no record to be proud of destroying ROmney honestly or not is their only option, no more hope and change just fear and loathing.
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Heard something the other day that the Koch's and their associated superpacs have contributed and raised more money in this election, than all that McCain/Palin raised in the last election.
Didn't McCain and Obama have an agreement that Obama went against? ANd didn't Obama outspend McCain 2 to 1 to win the election? Did that bother you at all?
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Didn't McCain and Obama have an agreement that Obama went against? ANd didn't Obama outspend McCain 2 to 1 to win the election? Did that bother you at all?
Shhh don't remind them that this is all their doing... they might start to think clearer and be much less entertaining.
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Very fair post Mrs.
As a matter of fact Mitt left Bain in 1999. The woman died in 2006. The husbands company closed in '01.
This is beyond desperate.
If I was the Romney campaign I'd run that ad all day edited with the facts behind the slander.
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If I was the Romney campaign I'd run that ad all day edited with the facts behind the slander.
Romney doesn't have to.....media is doing it for him.

And that's going to be one of the problems both campaigns are going to both profit and lose from - I live in a swing state with lots of ads being shown and I've seen this ad 20 times on various news shows and maybe twice as an actual ad.

The more controversial the ad the more free air play it's going to get. Both campaigns should think about that before they start lying all over the place.

But hell, maybe that's what they count on.

It's all getting more and more disgusting.
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Romney doesn't have to.....media is doing it for him.

And that's going to be one of the problems both campaigns are going to both profit and lose from - I live in a swing state with lots of ads being shown and I've seen this ad 20 times on various news shows and maybe twice as an actual ad.

The more controversial the ad the more free air play it's going to get. Both campaigns should think about that before they start lying all over the place.

But hell, maybe that's what they count on.

It's all getting more and more disgusting.
I thought your OP was a great post and kudos for calling a spade a spade. Not too many in here have the gumption or desire to call out their side when they do something questionable. The usual response to to say "well your guy does it too..."

OT: Ain't that the truth Mrs. This election is and has been nasty (which I can't stand) and the calendar just flipped to August. November please hurry.

I actually attempted to take a hiatus from this place for that reason....but you all kept tugging me back

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I thought your OP was a great post and kudos for calling a spade a spade. Not too many in here have the gumption or desire to call out their side when they do something questionable. The usual response to to say "well your guy does it too..."
Thank you....sometimes the truth hurts but that doesn't make it any less the truth. Trying to justify it or ignore it doesn't change it or make it go away - on the contrary, it encourages it.

Truth is, I was horribly disappointed - and embarrassed by this whole thing. "I" don't want to be associated with the kind of things that "I" find repulsive in others. I want "my guys" to be better than that. It's hard to condemn "the other side" when "your side" is just as bad.

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OT: Ain't that the truth Mrs. This election is and has been nasty (which I can't stand) and the calendar just flipped to August. November please hurry.
It's bad. It's getting worse. I shudder to think of what happens when the Super Pacs go in full swing. My one hope left is that one or the other of the candidates starts to disavow this kind of crap and call their own side out on it.

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