Patters

Not the big prize, but a decent consolation prize, should the results stand.

Senate power shifts to Dems as Lehman narrowly defeats Wanggaard

Control of the state Senate appeared to have been wrested from Republican control early Wednesday as late results showed former state Sen. John Lehman beating incumbent Sen. Van Wanggaard by less than 1,000 votes.

With all wards reporting, Lehman came out on top with 36,255 votes to Wanggaard's 35,476 in preliminary returns. It was unclear early Wednesday if there would be a recount of the vote.

Lehman declared victory, although Wanggaard refused to concede, saying he will review the results.

PatsFanInVa

Nice... stay tuned for arguments on how a filibuster isn't appropriate at a state level, only at the U.S. senate...

patsfan13

Of course the WI senate won't be in session till next Jan and there will b yet anothe election for the Senate in Nov, a Pyrrhic victory.

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"Some guys play in all-star games, some guys don't. I don't know who picks all those all-star teams. In all honesty, I don't know who picks the combine, for that matter," Belichick said. "How does (Miami-Ohio offensive lineman Brandon) Brooks not get invited to the combine? How did Vollmer not get invited to the combine? I don't know. We can't really worry about that. We just have to try to evaluate them the best we can."

PatsFanInVa

I reckon... unless they have provisions for calling special sessions

On the other hand, 18% of Walker's vote apparently said in exit polling they'd be voting Obama in the fall, as of right now.

So a mix of two things is going on: standard ticket-splitting behavior, and also people who don't agree w/what Walker's up to, but don't believe in recalls. Dems tend to stand on principle like that -- if wrong for Gray Davis, then wrong for Scott Walker, that sort of thing. You see the echo of that in the polling on whether compromise is a good or a bad thing.

So if your understanding of WI governance is right, the question is, if you get 54% of the vote on a recall, does that mean you can win the general in November?

PFnV

patsfan13

The exit polling turned out to be way off the mark, so all that would be taken with a grain of salt.

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"Some guys play in all-star games, some guys don't. I don't know who picks all those all-star teams. In all honesty, I don't know who picks the combine, for that matter," Belichick said. "How does (Miami-Ohio offensive lineman Brandon) Brooks not get invited to the combine? How did Vollmer not get invited to the combine? I don't know. We can't really worry about that. We just have to try to evaluate them the best we can."

PatsFanInVa

Got the "right" numbers, no pun intended?

patsfan13

They won't exist until the national pollsters (Gallup & Rasmussen) start releasing state numbers based on likely voters.

A lot of the other polls are crap because they don't use likely voters (using registered voters or adults instead) and sample sets that are realistic (in terms of R's, D's and Ind's % for the sample)/

There will be a lot of polling used to try to influence public opinion rather than reflect it.

The most significent thing I see in the Daily Tracking polls from Gallup and Rasmussen is that the consistently show Obama at 44-46% support after 3 years people have pretty much decided if they want to have Obama continue as President.

In May June 2008 I was saying here that Obama would win, he will lose this year.

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"Some guys play in all-star games, some guys don't. I don't know who picks all those all-star teams. In all honesty, I don't know who picks the combine, for that matter," Belichick said. "How does (Miami-Ohio offensive lineman Brandon) Brooks not get invited to the combine? How did Vollmer not get invited to the combine? I don't know. We can't really worry about that. We just have to try to evaluate them the best we can."

chicowalker

Was the blurb I read in the Journal today accurate, that Walker was OK with public employee unions for fire and police, and the police and fire unions had supported him?

(apologies if this is the wrong thread, but the Scott Walker one was locked, which indicated to me it wasn't worth wading through to see if this had already been discussed -- plus, there wasn't any conversation in a couple days in this one)

Mrs.PatsFanInVa

He's right to the extent that when he was trying to eliminate collective barginning he left out the police and fire departments......but I don't recall them "supporting" him at all.

At least they didn't at the time of the original push to get rid of the unions. At that time they joined the protestors.


BREAKING: Wisconsin Police Have Joined Protest Inside State Capitol » Rainforest Action Network Blog

I looked into it a little more and apparently there were a few police associations which did support Walker in the recall election.

But then again....there's always this as an explanation:


http://www.channel3000.com/news/Lead...3/-/index.html

patsfan13

Walker balanced the budget and no teacher laid off and no taxes raised, jobs added.

Very successful thus far.

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"Some guys play in all-star games, some guys don't. I don't know who picks all those all-star teams. In all honesty, I don't know who picks the combine, for that matter," Belichick said. "How does (Miami-Ohio offensive lineman Brandon) Brooks not get invited to the combine? How did Vollmer not get invited to the combine? I don't know. We can't really worry about that. We just have to try to evaluate them the best we can."