IllegalContact

they are totally different. the block diagram may appear to be the same, but what is in the block is comepletely different.

something that can never happen in the private version is having a union in the midst of a negotiation, profess support for one candidate and then the otehr one wins. situations like this are not in the best interest of the common good, and the election of one official versus another should not have the intantaneous ability to impact the manner in which said union has the ability to provide its service.

the private sector is hugely different in that it acknowledges the concept of long-term viability and common sense in the process of running its businesses.

The public sector is a mere money grab at the hand of an endless relatively guaranteed revenue stream.

It is human nature to handle money that is not yours like money that is not yours, and that's what the government does.....

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patsfan13

When people get a choice they don't want unions plain and simple. Since Walker changed the rules and people weren't coerced into being in the Unions the AFSCME has lost ~60% of their members in a year.

Only 7% of private sector employees are in Unions. The reason the left is upset is that it will hurt the funding they get from union dues being confiscated from workers and funneled to the dem party.

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Real World

FDR was absolutely right.

The argument that we can't trust the government to provide good wages, or a safe working environment for it's employees, and thus need public employee unions, is arguably one of more least intelligent I've ever heard.

People shouldn't confuse the argument against public employee unions, with the existence of unions in the private sector. They are entirely different with respect to what the debate is. i.e. public vs private enterprise & money.

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PATSNUTme

Public employees are entited to decent wages and I support that. And their wages are as good if not better than most private sector employees. But their benefits far exceed the private sector.

I'm an elected official of the ward in the town that I live. We just voted on our budget and it went up 10.66% (without my support). Why?

Because the town employees union would not give an inch on benefits. They get great health insurance and only contribute less than 5%. Disabilty incurance, fully paid. Pensions that they can retire after 25 years at a very nice sum. And many more perks like getting paid for unused sick days!

So the elderly person on SS, the young family struggling, the people who have not seen a raise in 3 years will all have to pay for those benefits, that they themselves do not get.

The wages and benefits of the public employees, local,state, and federal are way out of hand. I want them do do well and make a very good wage but their wages and benefits are crushing budgets.

This is not the 1970's anymore. Today public employees are the better paid workers in the country. Problem is, they only get paid through taxes that are driving the standard of living of others down.

Patters

Where wages and compensation are out of whack they need to brought in line, but frankly the demise of labor unions has appeared to lead to a downward quality of life cycle around the nation, while the wealthy continue to do fabulously well. There are two ways to correct the problem: (1) Cut the wages and compensation for public employees and (2) increase the wages and compensation for everyone else. The latter used to be the model at hand, and that's why we have things like the 40 hour work week, overtime, vacations, minimum wage, etc. The compensation gap, I think, is due to Wall Street, not teacher's unions. But, again, where compensation is truly out of whack, even I support changes.

PATSNUTme

Unions were needed back in the day. My father was a strong union person.

But about 25 years ago they had reached their peak and since then have had to do things to justify their exsistance. They have changed from representing their rank and file and now are self serving and power hungry at the top. And part of that self-serving power grab is to use memebers dues, without their permission, for political purposes.

Teachers are now and have been for the last 20 years, well paid, compared to private sector people of the educational background. Because of unions, the really good teachers get paid the same as a really bad teacher, who should be fired but can't be, with the same edcucation and experience.

I'm not downing teacher because my wife is one and several of my relatives are teachers. They will say the same thing. So my information is first hand and not talking points.

We really need to cut back the benefits of public employees for one reason, we just can't afford to do it anymore.