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***DarrylS*** · 05-22-2012, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by patsfan13

Perhaps it is related to the location of the establishment. I don't know anything about Tweksbury, is the area different now than when the hotel was built 50+ years ago?

Wouldn't some get upset if he started profiling customers?

If he committed a crime that would be one thing, in this case he is having to prove his innocence of others committing crimes, unamerican IMO.

You do not have to profile customers, but turning your back to allow things to happen may be supporting wrongdoing..

You always have control, and when you give it up, anarchy ensues..

Apparently this guy allowed seedy, illegal things to happen in his property and according to the law signed by Reagan he is culpible for their wrongdoing, as he allowed criminal activity to take place.

***IcyPatriot*** · 05-22-2012, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by chicowalker

Is there any evidence that government-sponsored urban renewal actually works? Anecdotally it seems to me that it fails much more often than it succeeds.

"It is hard to fail, but it is worse never to have tried to succeed."

Theodore Roosevelt

***IcyPatriot*** · 05-22-2012, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by PatriotsReign

But even if they are aware, it still doesn't justify our gov't taking the owners assets. The gov't should at least have to prove "Beyond a reasonable doubt" that the owner was complicit in a crime.

This isn't comparable to siezing the assets of a large-scale drug dealer/member of a cartel...which is supposed to be the purpose of the law.

If I look out my windown and see my neighbor dealing drugs, it's not a crime for me NOT to report it.

The last thing we need is for this loop-hole to be used to create gov't revenue...sorta like police being sent out with speeding ticket quota's...both are as immoral as the crime committed.

Did you read any of it PR? They tried negotiating with him and he pulled it.

chicowalker · 05-22-2012, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DarrylS

It may not be a crime, but it is your civic duty to report a crime...

This has been going on since 1984, when congress passed and Reagan signed an act allowing it..

How do some places become crime magnets, while others do not???

Failure to perform one's civic duty isn't a crime and shouldn't result in asset forfeiture (or, say, jail time -- isn't that the next step?)

It's a bad law. No accountability, no due process, bad incentives.

chicowalker · 05-22-2012, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by IcyPatriot

Did you read any of it PR? They tried negotiating with him and he pulled it.

It's not a very fair negotiation when the other side is the government and they're threatening seizure as an alternative.

if the government wanted a good-faith negotiation, they'd drop their threats.

Roland · 05-22-2012, 04:44 PM

One less candy store is a good thing.

PatriotsReign · 05-23-2012, 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Roland

One less candy store is a good thing.

The number of candy stores is a constant and can not be altered. That's what happens when drugs are illegal and a criminally run enterprise.

Here's the solution....make all the stuff legal!!! I'm dead-serious, all for legalizing all drugs. It will get rid of a lot of violence and all the scum-bag South American cartels and create tax revenue.

Finally, it wouldn't make the drug problem any worse than it already is either.