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Yeah I'm kind of with 13 and Chico on this one - I could live without forfeiture laws. I remember when they first came out they infuriated me.
But, on the other hand, Icy, I have to say the phrase "even half a moron" kind of tickled me. It's sort of a "found art" thing... I would never think of that one myself but it was funny
You can call me naive all you want, but you're reading things into my post that I didn't say.
Where did I say watch the place 24/7? Oh, I didn't? That's right...
You said it's the police's job ... the 24/7 is what it would require to police these vermin.
If the crimes were so low-level, why the need for the government to seize the property? Ignorance of property owner is no excuse nor is seriousness of crime.
Do you have any evidence that government- sponsored urban renewal works? So you seize the property. What comes next? Shutting down the motel doesn't solve any of the real problems.
And who cares if they benefit 2nd hand from prostitution and drugs? This comment is most naive of all ... you need to get around more.
Personally, I don't care about the crimes themselves. But if we apply your principle here, where do you draw the line? Car dealerships? Nightclubs? Hell, Vegas should be rid of all private ownership. Car dealership if laundering drug money would be guilty.
Nightclubs same as above.
In Vegas prostitution and gambling are legal.
If they are laundering drug money then the same applies
Chico if you want to remove the bees then you must remove and/or relocate the hives. In all seriousness your naive here ... if you knew more about how slugs operate you would understand. These owners can cry foul but in business for that many years they knew well what was going on. Different cars coming and going all night would be the first clue ... I mean hotels are for sleeping and resting and last I heard they do not come with revolving doors. People that frequent these places usually have an MBA in making money street style.
Yeah I'm kind of with 13 and Chico on this one - I could live without forfeiture laws. I remember when they first came out they infuriated me.
But, on the other hand, Icy, I have to say the phrase "even half a moron" kind of tickled me. It's sort of a "found art" thing... I would never think of that one myself but it was funny
I have more of them ... I'll dig more out.
In the meantime here's one more good one and don't ask for the logic of it.
Used to run small errands to earn street cash for card playing Italian dudes (a.k.a. mafia wannabee types or maybe real ???) when I was younger ... got to watch them play cards and the lingo was always
Next time you hear someone talking crap tell them
"you're talking like someone with a paper azz".
The look on the person's face you would tell is priceless ...
the logic of the statement is inane at best.
Chico if you want to remove the bees then you must remove and/or relocate the hives. In all seriousness your naive here ... if you knew more about how slugs operate you would understand. These owners can cry foul but in business for that many years they knew well what was going on. Different cars coming and going all night would be the first clue ... I mean hotels are for sleeping and resting and last I heard they do not come with revolving doors. People that frequent these places usually have an MBA in making money street style.
You keep using the word naive when nothing I'm saying us naive.
I understand there was criminal activity. I understand the owners may well have known about the activity.
What I'm saying is:
1) seizure laws create bad incentives even when dealing with people who possibly broke laws
2) In this case the property owners did not break laws. (you brought up money laundering -- if that's going on, charge them and prove it)
3) you're the one who said the criminals are too low level for the police to spend time on -- if it's too low level for the police it should be too low level for govt to take assets
4) I'm skeptical that govt efforts at urban renewal tend to work -- any evidence that they do?
5). Simply taking assets won't solve anything
Basically it looks like the easy way out to me. Don't prove a crime, don't fix any underlying problems.
Btw, prostitution is not legal and Vegas. (and neither are drugs)
And there is plenty of both going on in all the major Vegas hotels. Should "hole in the wall" hotels/motels be treated differently than those on the Vegas strip?
This is interesting unintended consequence of ill conceived laws, an offshoot of Comprehensive Crime Control Act of 1984 that was enacted while Ronnie Reagan was president...
Under the guise of law and order, much like we did with Homeland Security, the long term unintended consequences are not really thought out..
The Marshal's service now controls over 1 billion dollars in assets that have been seized under this law..
Before they pass a law, need to plan for all contingencies.. rather than the "feel good", "atta boy" approach..
There are three goals of the Asset Forfeiture Program: enforcing the law; improving law enforcement cooperation; and enhancing law enforcement through revenue. Asset forfeiture is a law enforcement success story, and the Marshals Service plays a vital role.
In 1984, Congress enacted the Comprehensive Crime Control Act, which gave federal prosecutors new forfeiture provisions to combat crime. Also created by this legislation was the Department of Justice Assets Forfeiture Fund (AFF). The proceeds from the sale of forfeited assets such as real property, vehicles, businesses, financial instruments, vessels, aircraft and jewelry are deposited into the AFF and are subsequently used to further law enforcement initiatives
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Re: When the looter is the government
.... good one Chico. 
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