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Old 05-19-2012, 05:57 PM   #11
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Who said anything about disproven?

But if you accept that the evidence was in fact wrong, then the arson expert's testimony means it was "disproven" prior to his execution.

The Innocence Project - Cameron Todd Willingham: Wrongfully Convicted and Executed in Texas


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Since 2004, further evidence in the case has led to the inescapable conclusion that Willingham did not set the fire for which he was executed.


IOW New evidence AFTER he was executed in 2004.
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Old 05-20-2012, 03:24 AM   #12
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From your link:

IOW New evidence AFTER he was executed in 2004.
I guess you don't know what the word "further" means.

"... in the days leading up to Willingham’s execution, his attorneys sent the governor and the Board of Pardon and Parole a report from Gerald Hurst, a nationally recognized arson expert, saying that Willingham’s conviction was based on erroneous forensic analysis. Documents obtained by the Innocence Project show that state officials received that report but apparently did not act on it. Willingham was executed by lethal injection in Huntsville on February 17, 2004."

You really have a hard time admitting even the simplest of mistakes, don't you?
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Old 05-20-2012, 05:09 AM   #13
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The right cannot deal with their casual disregard for wrongful deaths.. the neo con collateral damage argument. They continue to defend the State of Texas, for no reason except because they are conditioned to do so...

Some myths debunked about this case...

http://www.innocenceproject.org/Cont...ngham_Case.php

http://www.innocenceproject.org/Cont...exas.php#media

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in the days leading up to Willingham’s execution, his attorneys sent the governor and the Board of Pardon and Parole a report from Gerald Hurst, a nationally recognized arson expert, saying that Willingham’s conviction was based on erroneous forensic analysis. Documents obtained by the Innocence Project show that state officials received that report but apparently did not act on it. Willingham was executed by lethal injection in Huntsville on February 17, 2004.
Going back to the original contention in this article. capital murder cases require a "vigorous defense".. however in this case that did not appear to happen. Often this is the case in "poor" folks, in some states they have special PD's who provide for a response consistent with this standard... however in this case it does not seem as though this happened. This is hardly a vigorous defense, one witness who testified to his "character".. an "exhaustive" two day trial ensued.

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The prosecutor asked Vasquez what he thought Willingham’s intent was in lighting the fire. “To kill the little girls,” he said.

The defense had tried to find a fire expert to counter Vasquez and Fogg’s testimony, but the one they contacted concurred with the prosecution. Ultimately, the defense presented only one witness to the jury: the Willinghams’ babysitter, who said she could not believe that Willingham could have killed his children. (Dunn told me that Willingham had wanted to testify, but Martin and Dunn thought that he would make a bad witness.) The trial ended after two days.

During his closing arguments, Jackson said that the puddle configurations and pour patterns were Willingham’s inadvertent “confession,” burned into the floor. Showing a Bible that had been salvaged from the fire, Jackson paraphrased the words of Jesus from the Gospel of Matthew: “Whomsoever shall harm one of my children, it’s better for a millstone to be hung around his neck and for him to be cast in the sea.”
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I guess you don't know what the word "further" means.

"... in the days leading up to Willingham’s execution, his attorneys sent the governor and the Board of Pardon and Parole a report from Gerald Hurst, a nationally recognized arson expert, saying that Willingham’s conviction was based on erroneous forensic analysis. Documents obtained by the Innocence Project show that state officials received that report but apparently did not act on it. Willingham was executed by lethal injection in Huntsville on February 17, 2004."

You really have a hard time admitting even the simplest of mistakes, don't you?



If the 'further' evidence wasn't critical why mention it?

If the exisiting evidence were adequate why mention the 'further' evidence?
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If the 'further' evidence wasn't critical why mention it?

If the exisiting evidence were adequate why mention the 'further' evidence?

Maybe you should stick to one point before moving on to another.

What you originally said and I questioned: "The guy was executed years before the evidence was disputed..."

The evidence was disputed before he was executed. You apparently can't bring yourself to admit you were mistaken.
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Even the Huffington Post can't ignore it anymore, Chicago is as bad as Afghanistan..

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Even the Huffington Post can't ignore it anymore, Chicago is as bad as Afghanistan..

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This is what 13 would refer to as a "deflection" if harry were a lefty instead of being 13's boy.

And shhh? As you point out, this was in the Huffington Post -- so is it being covered up or not?

Finally, do you have any concept of how a calendar works? or what day (or month) it is? Why are you posting something that's 2 months old and trying to pass it off as current? Just an honest mistake -- let's see if you're capable of admitting to them, unlike some folks here -- or are you intentionally trying to mislead people?

back to the subject: how is this related to Texas killing Cameron Willingham?
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