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Old 05-17-2012, 03:50 PM   #101
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But that's not what the statute says, is it? Unless I'm reading it wrong (and I may be) it says you are justified in the using of force (ie; hitting someone) if you perceive the threat of bodily harm as "imminent," not that it has to have actually occured.



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(3) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.
As Martin did not have a restraining order on Zimmerman and since Zimmerman was recognized as neighborhood watch (even if he was self appointed, the neighborhood still recognized him as that), and since Zimmerman had already called the cops to report suspicious activity, Zimmerman had a right to be there. Therefore, I'd say that the threat of violence from Zimmerman toward Martin was much more perceived than imminent. Also...

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When police arrived on the scene, Zimmerman told them that Martin had attacked him, and that he had shot Martin in self-defense.[2][16] Zimmerman was bleeding from the nose and mouth; and had two vertical lacerations on the back of his head
With this on hand, I'd say Zimmerman was within his right under the law whereas Martin was not. However, even if you are correct, MrsP, you would still have to recognize that Zimmerman was well within his rights under the law. That said, unless the prosecution can put together a slam dunk of a case in court and reveal something that we don't know right now, based on what we know AS OF NOW, Zimmerman will walk. And he should. Again, I just hope I'm not working when he does because I can guarantee you that this will incite a Rodney King-type riot.
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Old 05-17-2012, 04:01 PM   #102
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As Martin did not have a restraining order on Zimmerman and since Zimmerman was recognized as neighborhood watch (even if he was self appointed, the neighborhood still recognized him as that), and since Zimmerman had already called the cops to report suspicious activity, Zimmerman had a right to be there.
That would only work if Trayvon Martin was aware of Zimmerman being a neighborhood watch person, recognized him as such and knew that the police had been notified and were enroute, wouldn't it? Trayvon also had a right to be where he was....just as much right as Zimmerman.

The more I read that Stand Your Ground law the more it see-saws back and forth making it virtually impossible to blame one person and not the other. First it says you cannot use deadly force if you incited the act - but then it says you can use deadly force if you incited the act but then lost control of it and suddenly feared for your life.

The wording makes it seem possible for almost anyone to use it if they kill someone else.
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Old 05-17-2012, 04:07 PM   #103
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That would only work if Trayvon Martin was aware of Zimmerman being a neighborhood watch person, recognized him as such and knew that the police had been notified and were enroute, wouldn't it? Trayvon also had a right to be where he was....just as much right as Zimmerman.
Martin had a right to be on the street where he was. He did not have the right to pound Zimmerman's, the Spanish speaking Hispanic registered democrat with black relatives', skull into the sidewalk.
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Old 05-17-2012, 04:22 PM   #104
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Liberals and others want Zimmerman the Hispanic sent to prison for life, hopefully solitary confinment until he dies.

The same "Zimmerman Haters" danced in the streets when the OJ Simpson Verdict "Not Guilty" came in yet the whole world knew without a doubt that he practically Beheaded his own wife, the mother of his children.

Zimmerman is a "gung ho fool" and he will have to live with it for the rest of his days, but who knows, if he didn't have a gun he might be The Dead One, of course that is just presumed.

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Old 05-17-2012, 05:00 PM   #105
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Martin had a right to be on the street where he was. He did not have the right to pound Zimmerman's, the Spanish speaking Hispanic registered democrat with black relatives', skull into the sidewalk.
I think, for the sake of honesty, which I am positive you want to portray, you need to amend "Zimmerman, the Spanish speaking Hispanic registered democrat with black relatives'" to "Zimmerman, the unemployed, Mexican hating, misogynistic, spanish speaking half-Hispanic registered democrat with ADHD and black relatives."

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I think, for the sake of honesty, which I am positive you want to portray, you need to amend "Zimmerman, the Spanish speaking Hispanic registered democrat with black relatives'" to "Zimmerman, the unemployed, Mexican hating, misogynistic, spanish speaking half-Hispanic registered democrat with ADHD and black relatives."

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did you bother to look into the garbage trayvon martin was into? he certainly IS the type to have the capacity to cause trouble.....don't let the skittles on the ground fool you

I think if this kind of mud starts being tossed, then the credibility of the victim will come more into question the charged

so on one hand we have this:



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I don't know.......and then the juror says "I have my doubts"

case over......zimmerman walks
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I think, for the sake of honesty, which I am positive you want to portray, you need to amend "Zimmerman, the Spanish speaking Hispanic registered democrat with black relatives'" to "Zimmerman, the unemployed, Mexican hating, misogynistic, spanish speaking half-Hispanic registered democrat with ADHD and black relatives."

Zimmerman's MySpace Page Shows Disparaging Remarks Towards Mexicans
You write your posts your way, and I'll write my posts my way, yanno? Is there anything inaccurate about my description, yanno? By the way, you could probably amend that exact same description to Martin, yanno? Why are you giving Martin a free pass, yanno? I'd say there's some misogyny in the following tweets, yanno?

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Annnnnd I take it we're meant to believe that these tweets are Trayvon Martin's?

Source?

Oh and by the way - "free pass?"

He's dead. That's the part that seems to escape you guys; you're not trying to disinter the guy and cite him for bad language. The trial's about a guy shooting him to death, and Z's excuse of "stand your ground" depends getting closer to impossible with every passing day.

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Annnnnd I take it we're meant to believe that these tweets are Trayvon Martin's?

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Here's a reliable source:

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Oh and by the way - "free pass?"
Yes that's right. Your wifey, by going after Zimmerman, the Spanish speaking Hispanic registered democrat with black relatives, the way she does while completely ignoring reprehensible, misogynistic comments from Martin, shows her obvious bias.
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He's dead. That's the part that seems to escape you guys; you're not trying to disinter the guy and cite him for bad language. The trial's about a guy shooting him to death, and Z's excuse of "stand your ground" depends getting closer to impossible with every passing day.
Well your wifey is the one who brought up Zimmerman's, the Spanish speaking Hispanic registered democrat with black relatives', myspace page into the conversation. So maybe your little self righteous lecture you gave here should be directed at her.
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Got a source? Top google result on yer neato little link was some blog called rightwingnews.com. That what yer goin' with?
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