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Holy Diver · 05-09-2012, 02:44 PM

Obama: Same-sex couples should have right to marry – This Just In - CNN.com Blogs

Ther year is 2012, Thanks Mr. President!

***DarrylS*** · 05-09-2012, 02:49 PM

Good move, compare to Romney who hired Grenell, then Bryan Fischer and his krewe of extreme christian right wingers who objected to that hiring, so Romney bowed.. then Fischer went on the airwaves complaining about how weak Romney was and if he bowed to him, how willl he stand up to Putin.

***Patters*** · 05-09-2012, 03:01 PM

Pretty brave move by Obama especially after North Carolina resoundingly embraced its bigoted roots and turned marriage into a special right owned solely by male/female couples.

khayos · 05-09-2012, 03:04 PM

Yup. Every time gay marriage comes up for a vote it loses. Now Obama has to pander to one part of his party, potentially angering another. Just another nail in his coffin.

***patsinthesnow*** · 05-09-2012, 03:12 PM

I applaud Obama for coming out in favor of civil liberties and human rights on a controversial issue.

Politically, it does two things. It'll rally liberals to be less ambivalent, and he pissed off anyone socially conservative, republican or democrat.

***Patters*** · 05-09-2012, 03:12 PM

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Yup. Every time gay marriage comes up for a vote it loses. Now Obama has to pander to one part of his party, potentially angering another. Just another nail in his coffin.

Probably not. Anyone who is a single voter issue opposing gay marriage almost surely did not vote for Obama in the first place. I think the big obstacles for proponents of gay marriage is the fact that religious bigots are far more invested in the issue than are moderates, who don't seem to turn out to vote on the issue in large enough numbers to defeat the pinheads.

khayos · 05-09-2012, 03:14 PM

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Probably not. Anyone who is a single voter issue opposing gay marriage almost surely did not vote for Obama in the first place. I think the big obstacles for proponents of gay marriage is the fact that religious bigots are far more invested in the issue than are moderates, who don't seem to turn out to vote on the issue in large enough numbers to defeat the pinheads.

North Carolina went for Obama... as did Virginia I think???

***Patters*** · 05-09-2012, 03:22 PM

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North Carolina went for Obama... as did Virginia I think???

Well, yeah, that's why he was brave, but I think when it comes to the general election, there will be a larger turnout and at least some of the people who oppose gay marriage will still vote for Obama because they support whatever--healthcare, social security, immigration reform, etc.

PatsWSB47 · 05-09-2012, 04:03 PM

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Well, yeah, that's why he was brave, but I don't think when it comes to the general election, there will be a larger turnout and at least some of the people who oppose gay marriage will still vote for Obama because they support whatever--healthcare, social security, immigration reform, etc.

Brave? No, brave would have been endorsing it before he thought it was politically safe to do so. I think this is a calculated move.

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He said he thinks Americans are growing increasingly comfortable with the concept of gay marriage and cited his own daughters' views on the matter.

I think he's been walking a tightrope with this for years and I think he was just trying to play both sides of the middle. The fact is he's been under pressure to let his actions do the talking for some time.

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Obama Punts on Gay Rights Order « Commentary Magazine

President Obama, who recently vowed to bypass the Washington gridlock by churning out executive orders, has suddenly decided he can wait for Congress to do its job, at least when it comes to controversial laws that he’d prefer not to make unilateral decisions on. The New York Times reports:

Just last month, Obama gave this statement to the Advocate: “I also support an inclusive Employment Non-Discrimination Act. But a lot of work remains, and we cannot wait for Congress to act.”

How can he reconcile that with his latest decision to wait for Congress to act? He can’t. But then, he doesn’t have to. Apparently, his campaign isn’t particularly concerned with losing the gay rights activist vote to Mitt Romney.

The last part is what I mean. I think this is the realization he's come to. He can finally get away with it. Cynical? Yeah but there were a lot of us out there that have been critical of his punting the past several years. In any event, his endorsement whether it was a brave one or not is a step forward for gay rights.

jcdavey · 05-09-2012, 04:04 PM

wow a president who believes in actual freedom, as opposed to the borg-like republicans who want to turn everyone christian lol