Originally Posted by Drewski

2. I realize you are left leaning poster, but are you one of those lefties who feel "the left has all the right answers all of the time"?

Originally Posted by sdaniels7114

Not all the time; but right now? Yes. The reason for this is because all the sensible people in the GOP are being shouted down by the teabaggers. Don't get me wrong the left has been only the primary driving force behind improving this country for 50 years IMO, but right now its not only the primary voice, its the only voice that makes any sense at all.

The right dusted off and brought back Newt Gingrinch of all things. Even he was shocked that someone would listen to him again.

Originally Posted by Drewski

The Ds aren't strong because their mouth service about being for the little guy is crap....they are as much part of the power block as the Rs are. The Rs aren't strong because they want the religious beliefs of what has become the base of their party to be the laws of the land.

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Originally Posted by DarrylS

IMO the reason why the Democrats are perceived as weak, is due to to their inability to fight back against the continual attacks of the right, who have mastered the airwaves and messages of hate...

The democrats are too nice.. and try to play by the "rules".. Hannity, Savage, Rush, Coulter, Malkin etc are very good at their craft..

Originally Posted by PatsFanInVa

A little tip to the dum-dums that don't know exactly what you're saying...

Go back and read Mitt's "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt" op-ed.

Your next line is "he argued for exactly what they did! They must have done what Mitt said to do!"

This is stupid in one way, but has the added advantage of being an absolute lie in a another way.

Here's Mitt's bottom line, and the last line of that op-ed: There shouldn't be a "bailout check" for car companies.

Here's the question: What's a "bailout check?"

If it's government financing and deep involvement in the workings of the industry along with government loans, then yes Detroit got a "bailout check." They got loans, and then they got full-on government part-ownership of GM.

Now then: What the Mittster wanted to happen was a prepackaged bankruptcy, where the government did not provide financing. He stipulates as much, saying the government can guarantee loans post-bankruptcy.

So what happens in a bankruptcy when nobody will provide DIP financing? You sell things really really fast, and Chapter 11 is just a joke. There is no time to do your reorganization, as Mitt pretends to detail must be done. (Primarily his prescription is "workers have to take a real real big haircut and management should be replaced by non-car guys.")

This part indeed matched what the Administration actually did, but it's not a stroke of brilliant insight. It was pretty much the air that people breathed when talking about GM and Chrysler.

So the big Romney input was, "Pretend someone will loan the carmakers money for Chapter 11, and then make them do a Chapter 13 by another name."

In other words there's no debtor in possession, and what you really have is a liquidation. No rescue, just vulture capitalism as usual.

They'd have gone under, the partsmakers would have gone under, the whole shootin' match would have gone under. Those Eminem "Detroit's back" commercials would never have aired, and the Lions would be in LA by now.

Obama got it right. GM is back, Chrysler is back, and Ford survived too. Some partsmakers could not keep things going through the down years and went under but most hung on.

Today, GM is again the largest auto manufacturer in the world.

So, righties, here is your playbook going forward:

- Claim that Romney was right to take the credit

- Claim that the government part-ownership, loans, and other intervention pre-bankruptcy isn't a "bailout check" (to square the circle)

- Avoid talking about government intervention in the banking sector, so you're not a hypocrite because over there, loans are "bailout checks"

- If anybody makes the comparison complain that it's a deflection or somehow "off topic."

- But above all, try to talk about the many many points on which Romney mimicked what everybody else was saying -- unions take a haircut, management from outside, etc., and claim it was all Mitt's idea.

- Try very hard not to discuss the one substantive issue, how all of this was supposed to happen.

And for the love of God, don't give him credit for the one thing he does deserve it for, Romneycare.

By the way, free-marketeers, the Mittster has just punted on one last chance to drive the teabaggers to the polls by drawing distinctions in the Midwest.

"The auto sector rescue worked? That was all me!!! Oh wait you didn't like the auto sector rescue? My bad, that was my man O."

I wonder if the Righty turn-off factor is enough to coat-tail the House back to the Dems... hope so. Then they can finally get some good stuff done... oh that's right, we'll need a couple more Senate seats to get the safe 60.

Eh tough row to hoe but maybe the national pubbies won't feel like seeing Biden or Hillary elected in '16 & will play ball after the buttwhooping they're about to get.

PFnV

Originally Posted by PatriotsReign

All us "dum-dums" welcome you to the group! Just another bozo on the bus like the rest of us.

Originally Posted by Drewski

In my opinion you don't have to fight back if what you put into practice (laws and leadership) are good enough to stand on their own merits.

Who cares what Hannity, Savage, Rush, Coulter, Malking etc. etc. etc say?

Just the same as who cares what Maddow, Olberman, Shultz, Matthews, Brzezinski, O'Donnell say?

Anyone with a with more than two brains cells firing knows what those people are....entertainers.

Putting political stock to what any of those people say is like asking Mike Tyson for financial advice or OJ Simpson how to be a good husband or Tom Cruise for advice on whether you go with Celexa, Paxil or Zoloft.

Originally Posted by DarrylS

In your opinion, but there are folks who live and die by the comments of the right wing commentators and believe everything they say.

In reality that right wing controls the airwaves, the left tries, but is nowhere near as good at audience retention and imo are too nice..

Originally Posted by IllegalContact

LOL.......there are plenty of programmed libbies out there

Originally Posted by DarrylS

In your opinion, but there are folks who live and die by the comments of the right wing commentators and believe everything they say.