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First you're upset because they (illegal aliens) don't pay taxes, now you're upset because they do pay taxes.......
What's really upsetting is that illegal aliens may be causing the death of migratory birds in Peru since the thread starter seems to think there's some sort of common denominator between his anticipated retirement and the mass dying of brown pelicans.
Perhaps the Peruvian pelicans are being used as dependents on the fax returns of illegal tax paying immigrants?
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First you're upset because they (illegal aliens) don't pay taxes, now you're upset because they do pay taxes.......
What's really upsetting is that illegal aliens may be causing the death of migratory birds in Peru since the thread starter seems to think there's some sort of common denominator between his anticipated retirement and the mass dying of brown pelicans.
Perhaps the Peruvian pelicans are being used as dependents on the fax returns of illegal tax paying immigrants?
And what's REALLY ridiculous is that some get upset when the read about a topic like this....as if it's ok that tax refunds are given for children no one can confirm.....
Nice "Topic-dodging" post MrsP...you're getting really, really good at them. You may even be the best at it!
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And what's REALLY ridiculous is that some get upset when the read about a topic like this....as if it's ok that tax refunds are given for children no one can confirm.....
I'm unsure how you feel they can not be confirmed since there is no way anyone can claim anyone without a social security number as a dependent.
I'm unsure how you feel they can not be confirmed since there is no way anyone can claim anyone without a social security number as a dependent.
Actually, they can....
"The Internal Revenue Service says everyone who is employed in the United States – even those who are working here illegally – must report income and pay taxes. Of course, undocumented workers are not supposed to have a social security number. So for them to pay taxes, the IRS created what’s called an ITIN, an individual taxpayer identification number. A 9-digit ITIN number issued by the IRS provides both resident and nonresident aliens with a unique identification number that allows them to file tax returns."
Where's you typical level of research on this topic MrsP?
The kicker is, even if their children in Mexico could be confirmed, they're still not tax-deductible if they don't live in the US.
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Last edited by PatriotsReign; 05-06-2012 at 09:11 AM..
"The Internal Revenue Service says everyone who is employed in the United States – even those who are working here illegally – must report income and pay taxes. Of course, undocumented workers are not supposed to have a social security number. So for them to pay taxes, the IRS created what’s called an ITIN, an individual taxpayer identification number. A 9-digit ITIN number issued by the IRS provides both resident and nonresident aliens with a unique identification number that allows them to file tax returns."
Where's you typical level of research on this topic MrsP?
The kicker is, even if their children in Mexico could be confirmed, they're still not tax-deductible if they don't live in the US.
"Resident and nonresident aliens" does not include illegal aliens. Being either of those things does not mean you are here illegally, PR. It's your status as a legal alien. Illegal aliens can't get an ITIN because they do not have the status documents necessary to obtain one. In other words, your source is playing with words and truth - "undocumented workers" do not get ITINs.
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How do I apply for an ITIN?
Use the latest revision of Form W-7, Application for IRS Individual Taxpayer Identification Number to apply. Attach a valid federal income tax return, unless you qualify for an exception, and include your original, notarized, or certified proof of identity and foreign status documents.
And the children of such people would not get an "individual taxpayer identification number," now, would they? They would require their own social security number - just like everyone else who gets declared as a dependent on someone's tax form.
And I don't believe that someone must reside in the USA to be considered a dependent of a US tax payer - what about students who are studying overseas? Do not their parents get to claim them as dependents if they are, in fact, supporting them? Or a child of divorced parents where the mother lives in France with the children but the father pays over 50% of their support and thus is entitled to the deduction? Most divorce decrees state, very plainly, what parent gets the dependent deduction come income tax time - and it's often not the custodial parent.
Last edited by Mrs.PatsFanInVa; 05-06-2012 at 09:24 AM..
"Resident and nonresident aliens" does not include illegal aliens. Being either of those things does not mean you are here illegally, PR. It's your status as a legal alien. Illegal aliens can't get an ITIN because they do not have the status documents necessary to obtain one.
How do I apply for an ITIN?
Use the latest revision of Form W-7, Application for IRS Individual Taxpayer Identification Number to apply. Attach a valid federal income tax return, unless you qualify for an exception, and include your original, notarized, or certified proof of identity and foreign status documents.
And the children of such people would not get an "individual taxpayer identification number," now, would they? They would require their own social security number - just like everyone else who gets declared as a dependent on someone's tax form.
And I don't believe that someone must reside in the USA to be considered a dependent of a US tax payer - what about students who are studying overseas? Do not their parents get to claim them as dependents if they are, in fact, supporting them? Or a child of divorced parents where the mother lives in France with the children but the father pays over 50% of their support and thus is entitled to the deduction? Most divorce decrees state, very plainly, what parent gets the dependent deduction come income tax time - and it's often not the custodial parent.[/QUOTE]
But the fact is, our gov't is giving tax deductions for children no one can confirm even exist
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Last edited by PatriotsReign; 05-06-2012 at 09:25 AM..
But the fact is, our gov't is giving tax deductions for children no one can confirm even exist
Ok....now that we've established that your other "facts" were wrong, let's tackle this one.
How can they be "uncomfirmable" when, in fact, all the government has to do is run a check of the social security number to find out if the children are who the parents say they are?
If the government is not doing this - that's one thing - but it's not because they can't - they can. Just like they can check the validity of anyone you or I claim as a dependent, too.
Can't ever and doesn't always are two different things, PR. Perhaps the tax people don't always check the validity of every social security number on every income tax return - but that doesn't mean they can't do it - or that they don't do it some of the time.
Upon further research - it is entirely within the law to claim as a deduction any child, stepchild, nephew or niece for whom you paid over 50% of their support for those dependents who live in either Canada or Mexico due to the fact that many people live close to the borders and work in one country while their families reside in the other place.
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In general, to be a taxpayer’s qualifying child, a person must satisfy four tests:
Relationship — the taxpayer’s child or stepchild (whether by blood or adoption), foster child, sibling or stepsibling, or a descendant of one of these.
Residence — has the same principal residence as the taxpayer for more than half the tax year. Exceptions apply, in certain cases, for children of divorced or separated parents, kidnapped children, ***temporary absences, and for children who were born or died during the year.
Age — must be under the age of 19 at the end of the tax year, or under the age of 24 if a full-time student for at least five months of the year, or be permanently and totally disabled at any time during the year.
Support — did not provide more than one-half of his/her own support for the year.
Additional Rules
While the four qualifying child tests generally apply for the five tax benefits noted above, there are some additions or variations for particular provisions:
Dependent — a qualifying child must also meet these tests:
Nationality — be a U.S. citizen or national, or a resident of the U.S., Canada or Mexico. There is an exception for certain adopted children.
** I assume that since a worker who has an ITIN number is only here on a work visa this part applies since work visas are not forever and/or the parents who are claiming the deduction are divorced or separated since they are obviously living here and their children are living in Mexico or Canada with their other parent - that surely qualifies as "separated."
And there's your research.
Last edited by Mrs.PatsFanInVa; 05-06-2012 at 09:57 AM..
What's outrageous is that patsfans has built-in spell-checking, and you still misspelled it "outragious" in your thread title.
The actual topic of the thread? Not outrageous, just can be made to look it if you're simple-minded or gullible enough.
Stop looking for someone to blame. Our big problem in this country is that we don't pay what we spend. It's not caused by border agreements that allow you to work in Texas and have a kid in Mexico.
And for the record, this thread is about as valid in making its purported "point" as it would be for me to say George Zimmerman's Peruvian mother killed all the pelicans.
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